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JustinP1

10,813 posts

110 months

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pitmansboots said:
A cigar-smoking TV presenter/DJ is a power broker of such immense controlling influence that not one abused person dared bubble him...F**k off...

...For me, I find it incredible that even a small number could be abused without at least one of them evidencing the abuse at or close to the time.
You are aware about the large number of simultaneous and independent instances of systematic abuse in the Catholic church on both sides of the Atlantic that only came to light recently?

Abusers have been proven to get away with is for many years because the abuser is in a position of power, and no young individual comes forward for fear of what might happen, and/or if they do their claim goes nowhere as it is rubbished.

Oakey

15,662 posts

96 months

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pitmansboots said:
For me, I find it incredible that even a small number could be abused without at least one of them evidencing the abuse at or close to the time.
Go on then, enlighten us to what the vital piece of damning evidence is that proves a dirty old man fingered you.

technogogo

265 posts

64 months

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JustinP1 said:
pitmansboots said:
A cigar-smoking TV presenter/DJ is a power broker of such immense controlling influence that not one abused person dared bubble him...F**k off...

...For me, I find it incredible that even a small number could be abused without at least one of them evidencing the abuse at or close to the time.
You are aware about the large number of simultaneous and independent instances of systematic abuse in the Catholic church on both sides of the Atlantic that only came to light recently?

Abusers have been proven to get away with is for many years because the abuser is in a position of power, and no young individual comes forward for fear of what might happen, and/or if they do their claim goes nowhere as it is rubbished.
Yes exactly. And the balance of power changes as the years pass but still there is the deep shame and feeling that as a victim you were partly to blame. Then after several, perhaps many more years, that too fades you are left with only one persons word against another. It's not a provable case so why put yourself through the severe agro of coming forward? Surely that isn't too hard to understand pitmansboots?

hornetrider

45,893 posts

85 months

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I find it incredible we have not one but TWO threads regarding the bejangling paedo and neither of them have his name spelt correctly.

Mill Wheel

5,386 posts

76 months

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hornetrider said:
I find it incredible we have not one but TWO threads regarding the bejangling paedo and neither of them have his name spelt correctly.
Funny - my spell checker didn't spot it...! wink
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Fartomatic5000

377 posts

35 months

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hornetrider said:
I find it incredible we have not one but TWO threads regarding the bejangling paedo and neither of them have his name spelt correctly.
This is how I remember it.
Jimmy Savile is an anagram of "Jimmy's a vile..."

burwoodman

1,705 posts

126 months

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Mill Wheel said:
Interesting that you think older men "letching" at younger women bad - in France the men seem more than happy to admire younger women openly - and the younger women seem happy to be admired and even form liaisons with older men - even married ones!

Affairs carried on by married partners of both sexes are generally more acceptable than in Britain - and it seems it is no obstacle to political ambition to have been found romancing another woman while married.

Perhaps this is because divorce is considered a greater evil there?

Saville would have been more roundly criticised in France for his fashion sense than his sexual preferences!
What's with this 'young woman' bullst. The man was not interested in 20 let alone 18. We are talking children here.

decadence

502 posts

38 months

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pitmansboots said:
A cigar-smoking TV presenter/DJ is a power broker of such immense controlling influence that not one abused person dared bubble him...F**k off.

I sense ex NOTW reporter types with the smell of a story and those suddenly realizing that rich, dead old men apparently fiddling with them years ago can pay dividends.

Don't get me wrong; if he did it just once, he should be dug up and fed to the fishes off his beloved Scarborough; equally so for those who run the story without proof and make untrue accusations.

For me, I find it incredible that even a small number could be abused without at least one of them evidencing the abuse at or close to the time.
OK, the recent Rochdale case. Some of those girls raised the issue of abuse with social services AND the police, they were ignored and in fact labelled prostitutes!

How the hell can you find it 'incredible' that some abused children are scared to tell on an adult ... we have a history of not believing them, happened on the catholic church and within the cubs/scouts....
I still firmly believe that what shocked and appalled the nation regards the Rochdale case was the fact the perpetrators were Asian men... frankly I don't think many of the masses shouting loudest cared a jot about the young girls as they were just lost in the system. It was a race thing IMO, that was the story.

burwoodman

1,705 posts

126 months

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Pitman shoots going lower than low, never liked you as a profiter from cameras. Now positively loathe you for your Savills comments. You sir are scum

Oakey

15,662 posts

96 months

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burwoodman said:
Pitman shoots going lower than low, never liked you as a profiter from cameras.
What do you mean?

Mill Wheel

5,386 posts

76 months

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burwoodman said:
What's with this 'young woman' bullst. The man was not interested in 20 let alone 18. We are talking children here.
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.
You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.

RYH64E

4,478 posts

124 months

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Mill Wheel said:
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.
You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
Not considered unusual by who? Savile, Glitter and some posters on PH?

burwoodman

1,705 posts

126 months

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Mill Wheel said:
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.
You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
The comment was directed at posters making reference to young woman in their 20's, married woman and the like. And what is your point? A 30 yr old should not fk about with a child-are you suggesting it's ok because she is almost legal? The documentary mentioned several who were 12, I recall 15 was the upper limit.

Pontoneer

3,464 posts

66 months

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daz3210 said:
I just watched the documentary on what has been alleged.

Based on what aired nothing has been proven as such, but what can be gained from the accusations?

Can any claim be made on his estate for compensation?
I doubt that any compensation can be awarded , but if facts can be established then it may give some sense of closure to some victims .

Again , subject to suitably compelling evidence , I wonder if he could be posthumously stripped of his knighthood ?

Breadvan72

16,127 posts

43 months

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As medals can be awarded posthumously, then in principle I suppose that a knighthood could be removed after death, if there was sufficient evidence of wrongdoing, allowing for the alleged doer being around to defend himself.

Pontoneer

3,464 posts

66 months

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RYH64E said:
Not considered unusual by who? Savile, Glitter and some posters on PH?
Since Savile and Glitter clearly knew each other , and Savile is on record speaking up in Glitter's defence when his sordid tale came out , I wonder if both might have been members of a circle of abusers , with the possibility of others still being extant .

That possibility alone makes the whole matter worthy of investigation .

Jasandjules

49,253 posts

109 months

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burwoodman said:
What's with this 'young woman' bullst. The man was not interested in 20 let alone 18. We are talking children here.
Allegedly.

I am at this point reasonably confident that this has not been proven.

streaky

19,311 posts

129 months

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Pontoneer said:
I wonder if he could be posthumously stripped of his knighthood ?
No-one has been posthumously deprived of a knighthood. Roger Casement lost his the day after he was found guilty of high treason.

In the case of peerages, apart from some medieval precedents and the Titles Deprivation Act 1917, it is generally accepted that deprivation can only follow attainder for treason.

Streaky

Mill Wheel

5,386 posts

76 months

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RYH64E said:
Mill Wheel said:
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.
You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
Not considered unusual by who? Savile, Glitter and some posters on PH?
Have you read the whole thread?
I posted earlier that culturally in France, men looking at young girls is not viewed in the same manner as it is here.
Fiddling yes, but looking, no.
It has already been pointed out elsewhere that the age of consent is lower in France - and even lower in Spain... I presume there is a link.

Brigitte Bardot started her relationship with her first husband when she was 15 - and Roman Polanski who is still wanted for the rape of a 13 year old in the US lived in France where he had several relationships with young women without anything resulting from it.

Mill Wheel

5,386 posts

76 months

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burwoodman said:
Mill Wheel said:
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.
You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
The comment was directed at posters making reference to young woman in their 20's, married woman and the like. And what is your point? A 30 yr old should not fk about with a child-are you suggesting it's ok because she is almost legal? The documentary mentioned several who were 12, I recall 15 was the upper limit.
My point was clear - in other countries (I specified France), Saviles behaviour would not be considered so unusual as it is here at the time when it occurred.
There is now more concern at men forming relationships with young girls - but not at older men admiring younger girls.

The age of consent is lower in France, and even lower in Spain... go figure!
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