I was threatened with arrest for warning of a speed camera .

I was threatened with arrest for warning of a speed camera .

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Frix

678 posts

190 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Because the technology is useless unless you have some means of enforcement

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Frix said:
Because the technology is useless unless you have some means of enforcement
We have the means

Vehicle caught on ANPR = NIP for owner unless owner supplies details of driver if not them

Frix

678 posts

190 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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NIP for what?

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Frix said:
NIP for what?
No tax insurance mot - all of which ANPRs can detect if set up that way

Its not rocket science to detect a vehicle on ANPR which is missing any of the above and then send out a NIP to the registered keeper who can either agree it was them driving or name the driver who was

ANPR cams could also be used to detect stolen vehicles and may give an indication as to what area they are in for recovery etc

Frix

678 posts

190 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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It's not rocket science but it would never work. Can you imagine the back office required in order to administrate NIP's for MOT, Insurance, Tax offences? Not to mention the influx of S.172 arguements overburdening a shrinking court system. Unless there is a massive budget increase the govt is not telling us about the cost of enforcement of this would be prohibitive.

simonrockman

6,843 posts

254 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Oh for the days when the AA didn't salute if there was a speed trap.
Today they's just try and sell you a holiday.


R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Frix said:
It's not rocket science but it would never work. Can you imagine the back office required in order to administrate NIP's for MOT, Insurance, Tax offences? Not to mention the influx of S.172 arguements overburdening a shrinking court system. Unless there is a massive budget increase the govt is not telling us about the cost of enforcement of this would be prohibitive.
Automated computer systems would sort that out and its no different than when stopped by cops but instead of the cop writing it out the computer does it

In both cases the driver etc will always have the right to go to court but that is no different to what happens now with speeding offences

Frix

678 posts

190 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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R0G said:
Automated computer systems would sort that out and its no different than when stopped by cops but instead of the cop writing it out the computer does it

In both cases the driver etc will always have the right to go to court but that is no different to what happens now with speeding offences
Apart from the number of people stopped is a fraction of ANPR hits. Insurance is a non-starter for ANPR enforcement. It cannot be a fully automated system so the burden will go up. Still no resources to do this.

pcvdriver

1,819 posts

198 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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R0G said:
Frix said:
NIP for what?
No tax insurance mot - all of which ANPRs can detect if set up that way

Its not rocket science to detect a vehicle on ANPR which is missing any of the above and then send out a NIP to the registered keeper who can either agree it was them driving or name the driver who was

ANPR cams could also be used to detect stolen vehicles and may give an indication as to what area they are in for recovery etc
So ANPR's can detect cloned plates these days then? Wow!!! I didn't know that....isn't technology clever these days.....what a load of ( )*( )
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R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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ANPRs are the be all and end all but if they gave out a NIP to a car owner and that car owner could prove they were elsewhere then that would be one more cloned plate which could be looked for which was otherwise unknown that it existed

Red Devil

13,055 posts

207 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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simonrockman said:
Oh for the days when the AA didn't salute if there was a speed trap.
Today they's just try and sell you a holiday.
The AA ceased being a mutual membership organisation in 1999. It's now just a business run for profit. So is the RAC equivalent which is just a brand name and no longer anything to do with the Royal Automobile Club.

R0G said:
Frix said:
It's not rocket science but it would never work. Can you imagine the back office required in order to administrate NIP's for MOT, Insurance, Tax offences? Not to mention the influx of S.172 arguements overburdening a shrinking court system. Unless there is a massive budget increase the govt is not telling us about the cost of enforcement of this would be prohibitive.
Automated computer systems would sort that out and its no different than when stopped by cops but instead of the cop writing it out the computer does it

In both cases the driver etc will always have the right to go to court but that is no different to what happens now with speeding offences
I'm calling you out on that. Name one system of automated enforcement that can use discretion. Unlike a police officer.

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Red Devil said:
I'm calling you out on that. Name one system of automated enforcement that can use discretion. Unlike a police officer.
I NEVER MENTIONED DISCRESSION

What I said was both types can be contested in court

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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The delay of insurance companies updating the database doesn't make it practical. There'd be so many hits that were false because of this. Plus trade policies can cause issues.


Guybrush

4,330 posts

205 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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The camera vans are placed where it's most easy to catch the highest number of drivers, not where it's dangerous. That fact is clear if you observe where vans are placed and no amount of weasly justification from the pro-camera funded interests can convince otherwise. They don't like their revenue threatened. That's also clear.

Furry Exocet

3,011 posts

180 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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R0G said:
No tax insurance mot - all of which ANPRs can detect if set up that way

Its not rocket science to detect a vehicle on ANPR which is missing any of the above and then send out a NIP to the registered keeper who can either agree it was them driving or name the driver who was

ANPR cams could also be used to detect stolen vehicles and may give an indication as to what area they are in for recovery etc
I work on an ANPR team and we get around 100 no insurance hits each shift when we work an area, out of those not even half are correct. Before we go after one, we have to manually check it on pnc. Then there are the ones being driven on trade plates or trade insurance , drive other vehicle cover and those that just aren't registered to anyone (where does the ticket go for them?)

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Furry Exocet said:
I work on an ANPR team and we get around 100 no insurance hits each shift when we work an area, out of those not even half are correct. Before we go after one, we have to manually check it on pnc. Then there are the ones being driven on trade plates or trade insurance , drive other vehicle cover and those that just aren't registered to anyone (where does the ticket go for them?)
Fair enough = a non starter then

andy_s

19,397 posts

258 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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Furry Exocet said:
(where does the ticket go for them?)
Back to HQ.

jjr1

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3,023 posts

259 months

Saturday 6th October 2012
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TheBear said:
Well done OP. Hopefully anyone who was unlicensed/ uninsured/ disqualified had enough warning to turn off/turn around and get away. Phew it could,be been close!
Well unless they had a rocket booster primed for the next 50 meters they would have been fked. So jog on son.......

Pints

18,444 posts

193 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
This would be the undermanned and over stretched police i keep reading about
yes

There were at least half a dozen of them either peering through a speed gun over the bonnet of their patrol car or trying to look serious at the next set of traffic lights in Swindon yesterday.

Frix

678 posts

190 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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Pints said:
yes

There were at least half a dozen of them either peering through a speed gun over the bonnet of their patrol car or trying to look serious at the next set of traffic lights in Swindon yesterday.
What a frivolous use of resources - employing departments you don't like!!