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13th

3,165 posts

100 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
I had huge respect for Police Officers. They do a job I couldn't do and one I wouldn't want my nearest and dearest doing.

This has been diminished by the use of speed cameras and sneaky van cameras. 33 in a 30 and I get three points and a fine!

If it was near a school or anywhere children might be I could understand but the main A30 out of London, not a school in sight! ?

On the flip side when I've had prowlers the local police have been here like a shot and very reassuring.

Ian Geary

387 posts

79 months

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I recall a local paper reporting that a bloke was arrested for warning motorists of a speed trap.

He'd taken to sitting in a chair with a cardboard sign saying "slow down", as his road was plauged by speeders.

turns out one day, the police had decided to set up a trap futher up the road.

Before long, a couple of police approached him, and asked if he knew this trap was there.

When he replied yes, they arrested and charged him. The poor old chap made it too easy for them.

He was found guilty in court, and rather meanly in my opinion got 3 points on his licence as well as a fine.


So I would say that the threat to the OP is not an idle one


Ian


eskidavies

1,743 posts

46 months

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For the record, I will not EVER warn another motorist of the location of a camera. This is principally because I am sick to death of being tailgated/flashed at by following drivers simply for adhering to the speed limit. If you want to get by, overtake, FFS, or if you haven't got the stones, drop back. Trying to intimidate me just will not work, and I WILL become 'Mr Ten to Two, push pull' for as long as you keep up your nonsense. I'm just as likely to be puzzled by a seemingly inappropriate low speed limit as you are. But it's the limit, and because I have a clean license, and no Radar Detector/Satnav to tell me where the cameras are, I'm going to continue to drive like there's a camera around every corner. BECAUSE I CAN. If you are in so much of a hurry that your judgement is clouded, then maybe you should just get up earlier, because then you would be in front of me. wink

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i see the speed course worked then..smile

blueg33

13,645 posts

111 months

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My Road Angel, using Tiff Needell's voice warns me of speed cameras inclusing mobile locations. Is Tiff at risk of arrest?


Art0ir

7,258 posts

57 months

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There was an old ex police officer lived around the corner from me for years, poor chap's in a home now as far as I know. Used to love walking the dog past his house and if he was outside you'd always get a good yarn out of him regarding the huge waste of resources that traffic enforcement is.
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mikey77

561 posts

75 months

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I live in SW France, where people still flash at you when there are police in the area, whether the gendarmes are operating a radar gun or running a checkpoint or - sometimes - just standing in the sunshine. And if your car looks like the sort that might be breaking a speed limit, more people flash at you. Result! You get the same sort of arguments over here as have been rehearsed above in this thread but in France it is regarded in a much more refreshingly simple way - it's just us and them.

FunkDokta

111 posts

27 months

wizzbilly

955 posts

80 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
It would seam the majorty of motorists think cash points are just for greed not for safer roads .

Now they say money goes back to the camra partnership and some goes to the govermont but funny enough i cant find any info on how much actually goes back to the govermont .

Maybe motorist should be more carefull but lets face it how many of us have seen pc plod speeding i can count a few a night come past my house at over 50mph in a 30 zone and dont tell me there all of to incidents as utter rubbish .

The death of the chap on the motorbike is sad news but as it says its going through the correct channels at the police station and on its way to been brushed under the carpet .

if the police cant treat members of the public with some respect how do they get it back , i get the feeling most joined the force on expecting good retirment and power mad , very fdew police officers i could give time of day majorty just want to try pin somethiung on you .

Think the days of officers getting respect is long gone and its pretty oblivios why


13th

3,165 posts

100 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
I flash on coming traffic to warn about horses or pigs (I am joking as I love horses and have a huge respect for the police) but we live in what we think of as country; on our roads and you regularly warn other drivers. If a policeman pulled me up for it I'd be very, very suprised.

streaky

19,311 posts

136 months

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13th said:
... 33 in a 30 and I get three points and a fine!
There have been other claims on here of this ilk [how is Gerald?], but no-one has ever offered any concrete evidence.

Sorry, but we are unlikely to believe such claims without the claimant posting photographs/scans of the NOIP.

Streaky

car crazy

1,796 posts

50 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
I do this in my truck everyday if i pass a scamera van i will flash my lights at any truck in the next mile and put my thumb down (we all do it)

13th

3,165 posts

100 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
streaky said:
13th said:
... 33 in a 30 and I get three points and a fine!
There have been other claims on here of this ilk [how is Gerald?], but no-one has ever offered any concrete evidence.

Sorry, but we are unlikely to believe such claims without the claimant posting photographs/scans of the NOIP.

Streaky
OK I will ask Mr 13th to pull the paperwork up and post it.

munroman

1,590 posts

71 months

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If I see a scamera van I don't flash my lights to warn oncoming traffic.

However, for some strange reason, I suddenly seem to see a lot of people I know, and give them a flash and a wave, and many wave back......

ging84

2,206 posts

33 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
Ian Geary said:
I recall a local paper reporting that a bloke was arrested for warning motorists of a speed trap.

He'd taken to sitting in a chair with a cardboard sign saying "slow down", as his road was plauged by speeders.

turns out one day, the police had decided to set up a trap futher up the road.

Before long, a couple of police approached him, and asked if he knew this trap was there.

When he replied yes, they arrested and charged him. The poor old chap made it too easy for them.

He was found guilty in court, and rather meanly in my opinion got 3 points on his licence as well as a fine.


So I would say that the threat to the OP is not an idle one


Ian
Does anyone have any more information on this?
It surprises me that this could happen, one man with his own road safety campaign criminalized for what he had been doing quite lawfully, surely if anything he was assisting the police in their over all road safety objectives
And how did he get points on his license? there are motoring offences of 'Aiding, abetting, counselling or procuring an offence,' but unless his story was disproved he was doing exactly the opposite


Red Devil

6,188 posts

95 months

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R0G said:
Red Devil said:
I'm calling you out on that. Name one system of automated enforcement that can use discretion. Unlike a police officer.
I NEVER MENTIONED DISCRESSION

What I said was both types can be contested in court
Why do you choose to deliberately ignore the point I made? The officer can choose not to issue a ticket if he/she considers an alternative approach is warranted. An automaton (scamera) can't.

Your suggestion that no insurance could be automated has rightly been debunked by La Liga. Until the relevant database can be updated in real time together with severe penalties for non-compliance by insurers it's a complete non-starter.

There are far too many people who depend totally on what a computer tells them. I used to work in the accountancy field and could spot when a spreadsheet print out was quite clearly a load of tosh (usually the result of an incorrectly applied formula). The younger members of the department were always dumbfounded how I managed to do it. The answer was I was taught mental arithmetic at school but I never let them in on the secret.

SS2.

8,103 posts

125 months

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ging84 said:
Does anyone have any more information on this?
Link.

ging84 said:
And how did he get points on his license?
If it's the case I'm thinking of, he didn't - the magistrates banned him outright.

streaky

19,311 posts

136 months

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SS2. said:
ging84 said:
Does anyone have any more information on this?
Link.

ging84 said:
And how did he get points on his license?
If it's the case I'm thinking of, he didn't - the magistrates banned him outright.
Covered repeatedly in this Forum.

Streaky

SS2.

8,103 posts

125 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
streaky said:
Covered repeatedly in this Forum.
I know that, you [clearly] know that - perhaps the poster posing the question did not..

streaky

19,311 posts

136 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
SS2. said:
streaky said:
Covered repeatedly in this Forum.
I know that, you [clearly] know that - perhaps the poster posing the question did not..
In our G00gle society, the inability or disinclination of some people to search still has the capacity to surprise.

Streaky

simoid

12,977 posts

45 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
Is it also "obstructing the Police" if I advise someone to move their car off zig-zags at a pelican crossing?



This is an absolutely pathetic attempt at revenue protection and raising IMHO, and such incidents to the Police and any anti-speeding message no good whatsoever.

"Speeding is bad, but don't warn anyone if you think they are going too quickly, because we want them to continue driving too quickly so we can make some money out of it" would be the apparent message.

One could conclude that the Police want these people to be speeding in dangerous areas, what kind of logic is that?

If I was pulled over after I've slowed a car down as it was heading to an accident blackspot, I'd expect to be congratulated for making the road a safer place, not threatened with prosecution.

Edited by simoid on Monday 8th October 09:54

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