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DoubleSix

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blearyeyedboy said:
That doesn't even remotely resemble the context of what I've said.

If a strange bloke left a very angry, aggressive message on your phone saying if they find out where they'll live, they'll f*** you up, you wouldn't find it threatening? You wouldn't be unsettled by it? Not at all?

You might not do the same as I would, but calling the police isn't a over-the-top response to such an extreme message.
But thats kind of the point it is actually over-the-top imo, people make idle threats and spout nonsense all the time. Try the North Circular on a Friday afternoon, you'll here some colourful language if you don't get a bloody move on!

If this chap was leaving repeated messages that would be different. But basically he's given it the big one and you've shat yourself and run to the authorities, who in turn will probably turn up to find he's all of 4 years older than the poor liddle girl who heard the nasty man shouting and is now scarred for life. It's all very Daily Mail.

Edited by DoubleSix on Friday 5th October 23:54

TheEnd

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Tell your daughter to be more careful with a phone and move on.

I'd be pretty pissed off if someone was crank calling and giggling down the phone, especially if it was early morning calls.

I don't know about anyone else, but if a phone rings here between 10pm and 7am, it's usually bad news.

DoubleSix

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Nigel Worc's said:
A little challenge for you, (a pointless one, but it is this stuff you remember).

Message me in 12 years time, especially if you and your wife have a little girl, and tell me the op is "over the top".

Nobody can tell you, or explain, what you're going to experience soon !

Good luck to both of you, and the new one when it arrives.

beer
Thanks man.

I do think I get it (I know you'll say it's not the same). But I'm very close to my older brothers and have an adorable niece whom I spend a good deal of time with. The story in the news this week has affected me as it might a parent. Maybe I've got much more coming!!

beer


Efbe

6,277 posts

52 months

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so lets follow up an over reaction with an over reaction. fail.

also kids shouldn't have mobiles.

blearyeyedboy

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65 months

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DoubleSix said:
But thats kind of the point it is actually over-the-top imo, people make idol threats and spout nonsense all the time. Try the North Circular on a Friday afternoon, you'll here some colourful language if you don't get a bloody move on!

If this chap was leaving repeated messages that would be different. But basically he's given it the big one and you've shat yourself and run to the authorities, who in turn will probably turn up to find he's all of 4 years older than the poor liddle girl who heard the nasty man shouting and is now scarred for life. It's all very Daily Mail.
Fair points, DoubleSix, and points that deserve a considered reply. I guess in my head, it's about the assessment a person makes. South Circular comments are generally impersonal and knee-jerk responses, forgotten in an instant. Phoning someone up to leave an abusive message takes a bit more commitment than a shout in the middle of rush hour traffic. I'd take it to be more threatening too.

If I heard a boy's voice, I'd probably ignore it. If I thought the person could be identified or dealt with in a non-police manner I'd certainly prefer to do it that way. But if I heard a grown-up voice leave a message of that nature and I had no idea who it was, I would pass it to the police and get them to make an independent assessment of whether it's prosecutable.

I think it's reasonable; you think it's an extreme view. I also think you're at an extreme. However, I hope we can disagree politely. smile

And I've never taken the Daily Mail. I have an allergy to xenophobes.
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NiceCupOfTea

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137 months

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Efbe said:
so lets follow up an over reaction with an over reaction. fail.

also kids shouldn't have mobiles.
Serious questions: Why? What age should they be allowed them? Should they be banned from using land lines and phone boxes as well? If not, why not?

croyde

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I didn't mean this to turn into the usual PH slanging match.

Firstly, he said he heard giggling but I was with her when she made the calls and she just put the phone down when a guy answered. OK that can be considered a nuisance call.

Secondly, like most kids these days she is pretty adept at using modern tech and her only mistake was writing down her friends number incorrectly using a pencil and paper. Remember those.

Third, she only called the incorrect number twice. Something I and I'm sure many of you have done.

Finally, I have only involved the police as I was concerned when I realised that it was obviously a little girl's phone yet this laughable excuse of a man felt he had to use such language. I have listened to the message numerous times and there is a hell of a lot of venom in it. His only problem, as he told me was that he was just getting to sleep after a night shift.

Unusual behaviour so I just wanted advice and to cover myself in case he got in touch again or actually was able to track her down. Unlikely I know.

BTW what I wrote in my first post was not exactly what he said.

croyde

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DoubleSix said:
But thats kind of the point it is actually over-the-top imo, people make idle threats and spout nonsense all the time. Try the North Circular on a Friday afternoon, you'll here some colourful language if you don't get a bloody move on!

If this chap was leaving repeated messages that would be different. But basically he's given it the big one and you've shat yourself and run to the authorities, who in turn will probably turn up to find he's all of 4 years older than the poor liddle girl who heard the nasty man shouting and is now scarred for life. It's all very Daily Mail.

Edited by DoubleSix on Friday 5th October 23:54
Blimey Double Six, I have not shat myself, I just want to make sure that it has been reported. For example if he did come round and I smash him over the head, hopefully there would be some evidence to show I needed to defend my family. That is an extreme example I know. I spoke to the guy, he could not be calmed down and he got very stty with me and he is certainly not 16. As I said in my opening post he is late 20s early 30s.

Big bad blokes threatening me are not a problem but when they threaten kids for a couple of missed calls, no pranks, nothing said, just a basic mistake things need looking into.

Once again it's just advice I want, I don't particularly want the police to have a go as I'd be more worried that it could escalate the problem.

DoubleSix

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croyde said:
I didn't mean this to turn into the usual PH slanging match.
Slanging match?? The last 3 pages have been remarkably decorous by PH standards!

You are truly a sensitive soul. Call the cops? wink

DoubleSix

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croyde said:
Blimey Double Six, I have not shat myself, I just want to make sure that it has been reported. For example if he did come round and I smash him over the head, hopefully there would be some evidence to show I needed to defend my family. That is an extreme example I know. I spoke to the guy, he could not be calmed down and he got very stty with me and he is certainly not 16. As I said in my opening post he is late 20s early 30s.

Big bad blokes threatening me are not a problem but when they threaten kids for a couple of missed calls, no pranks, nothing said, just a basic mistake things need looking into.

Once again it's just advice I want, I don't particularly want the police to have a go as I'd be more worried that it could escalate the problem.
Fair enough mate it's your prerogative and I wasn't there. My advice would be spend your weekend doing something other than making statements and if the guy so much as whistles in your direction again then take it further. I appreciate others may see the situation as actionable but personally I wouldn't be pulling the trigger.

Nigel Worc's

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DoubleSix said:
Thanks man.

I do think I get it (I know you'll say it's not the same). But I'm very close to my older brothers and have an adorable niece whom I spend a good deal of time with. The story in the news this week has affected me as it might a parent. Maybe I've got much more coming!!

beer
Niece is close, very close.

Would you, or would you not, share the op's concerns if she was twelve years old, (some of them are a little lady by this stage, some are still quite child like), and recieved the same message ?

I'd be concerned, I may talk to the phone provider first, but I may not, I may just contact the Police.

I certainly wouldn't question the op's concern or reaction.

Efbe

6,277 posts

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NiceCupOfTea said:
Efbe said:
so lets follow up an over reaction with an over reaction. fail.

also kids shouldn't have mobiles.
Serious questions: Why? What age should they be allowed them? Should they be banned from using land lines and phone boxes as well? If not, why not?
If they can afford one, they can have one.

I don't do pocket money either smile

croyde

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DoubleSix said:
croyde said:
I didn't mean this to turn into the usual PH slanging match.
Slanging match?? The last 3 pages have been remarkably decorous by PH standards!

You are truly a sensitive soul. Call the cops? wink
Yep! not sure why I perceived it as a slanging match. I have just reread the thread and it is pretty decorous as you say. To be honest I am not to happy about having to host a couple of coppers at my house early tomorrow but as I said I didn't think that they would take it that seriously.

They have never been quick to come round when the car has been vandalised or the house has been burgled biggrin

blearyeyedboy

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DoubleSix said:
Slanging match?? The last 3 pages have been remarkably decorous by PH standards!
Actually, while we're at opposite poles of this discussion, you're spot on about this. Even people with very different opinions have expressed them politely. It's refreshing. beer

DoubleSix

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Nigel Worc's said:
Niece is close, very close.

Would you, or would you not, share the op's concerns if she was twelve years old, (some of them are a little lady by this stage, some are still quite child like), and recieved the same message ?

I'd be concerned, I may talk to the phone provider first, but I may not, I may just contact the Police.

I certainly wouldn't question the op's concern or reaction.
Tough one. I think I would share the OPs concerns but not his actions. Maybe I've become a little hardened to threats and bravado over the years (grew up in the rough part of town) but it takes a fair bit for me to raise the alarm. I would have to believe there to be a genuine threat of my family coming to harm. I would certainly be closely monitoring her incoming calls and her behaviour to satisfy myself of no ongoing upset. But things would have to be more severe for me to involve outside parties.

I don't wish to undermine the OPs concern however, like I say it's his prerogative, and he will surely do what he feels necessary for the wellbeing of his family. But in posting here was always going to get a range of views on the subject.

wizzbilly

955 posts

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Its not exactly a direct threat is it neither of them no one another just a break down in comunications .

someone called me and woke me up i wouldnt be to pleasent neither and most normal humans dont start functioning untill been awake for a bit .

Cant see for life of me why the police saying that they will probably follow it up as easy work and they might get a caution fo what a days work from a police officer not exactly good use of sources .

i would be more concerned if it was someone who knows your child but it aint so its not like there is much evidence of a repeat performance .

mistakes happen so just put it down to exsperince as maybe next time both partys will be more carefull , both partys are to blame if you want to look at it like that but most children this day and age no more coulerfull language than more matuure pepole .

who is to say he has even listened to the voicmails recived from your daughter i no i dont listen to mine and just call pepole back and just listen for the bleep and think to myself thank god for that leave the message .




hidetheelephants

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NiceCupOfTea said:
Without wanting to get too far off topic, in the bad old days kids still crank called, they just used phone boxes and landlines!
I owe quite a few apologies to people with the surname McDonald from when I was about 9 years old. getmecoat
'Do you own a farm mister?' hehe

WeirdNeville

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101 months

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They'll find out who it is, do a bit of research, and decide a course of action.
In the meantime, block his number to that phone. It's safe to assume the only information he has is the phone number, so the most important thing is to ensure he can't cause any more upset by calling it again.

A one off? Someone distraught at losing a relative or a wild eyed 'nam vet? Really?
Or just another jumped up chav dhead who reacts with violent threats to minor challenges to everyday life?

I wouldn't say it's the issue of the century, but equally it needs to be nipped in the bud. perhaps a warning will suffice, I'd say arrest and prosecution might be a bit over the top unless he does this type of thing day in day out.

Jasandjules

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You spoke to him. Ok, what did you say?

"I am sorry mate my daughter got the wrong number twice, I've told her to check before she dials in future especially when it's 6am"

or

"Who the hell are you to leave a message like that?"


croyde

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Both. Polite at first but then had to deal with a lot of abuse.

I just wanted to work out for myself whether he was just someone with anger management problems or a filthy paedophile.

Edited by croyde on Saturday 6th October 08:19

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