Farmers shooting dogs !
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daz3210 said:
Du1point8 said:
No one deserves this, but I wish people would actually think before just entering/trespassing on a farmers field.
How do you know it was trespass?We have a several public footpaths near us that pass through fields where cows and bullocks are regularly grazed.
In such a situation is there not a duty of care imposed on the farmer to ensure that either the public are safe when exercising their rights to use the public footpath, or in the alternate, are aware that the animals in there may pose an increased danger due to having calves?
Du1point8 said:
Sad to see the after affect of going onto a farmers field whilst walking dog:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216273/Pe...
Some people are actually blaming the farmer for not putting up a sign to say its dangerous to go in the field when the cows have calves, so its partly his fault.
No one deserves this, but I wish people would actually think before just entering/trespassing on a farmers field.
The irony of that is that is that if you are attacked by cows because you have a dog, the advice from the NFU is to let the dog off the lead - the cows are after the dog, and the dog can run faster than you or the cows.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216273/Pe...
Some people are actually blaming the farmer for not putting up a sign to say its dangerous to go in the field when the cows have calves, so its partly his fault.
No one deserves this, but I wish people would actually think before just entering/trespassing on a farmers field.
daz3210 said:
Du1point8 said:
No one deserves this, but I wish people would actually think before just entering/trespassing on a farmers field.
How do you know it was trespass?We have a several public footpaths near us that pass through fields where cows and bullocks are regularly grazed.
In such a situation is there not a duty of care imposed on the farmer to ensure that either the public are safe when exercising their rights to use the public footpath, or in the alternate, are aware that the animals in there may pose an increased danger due to having calves?
It would appear that Common sense went out of the window years ago.
Du1point8 said:
DM would have mentioned a public footpath and not missed something like that out. They are not that crap at news.
I dunno the area, but looking online there does appear to be a couple of routes that may be regularly walked paths. OK, they may not be officially designated as public footpaths, but how many routes are used regular and simply have not been officially recognised as such? The farmer could still have been lax in his lack of warning, even if the route the old girl was on was not officially a public footpath. Dog walkers do tend to be somewhat repetitive in the routes they walk their dogs, so it may be fair to consider this was a regular route for her.y2blade said:
Either way Having the "right of way" is not much good when you are dead.
I would tend to agree, but what are the rules in law? As I said there are fields by us that regularly contain cows. I would like to think that if there is an increased danger that there was a duty to warn me of such. Regularly I walk through these fields (with a dog), and thus far the beasts present have in the main ignored both me and the dog.daz3210 said:
y2blade said:
Either way Having the "right of way" is not much good when you are dead.
I would tend to agree, but what are the rules in law? As I said there are fields by us that regularly contain cows. I would like to think that if there is an increased danger that there was a duty to warn me of such. Regularly I walk through these fields (with a dog), and thus far the beasts present have in the main ignored both me and the dog.If the fields are not public right of way why should a farmer warn people not to trespass or go into his field for risk of being hurt? Fence is there for a reason, so if someone enters the field by gaining access of a clear warning such as a fence to keep things out and somethings in, then why does there need to be a further warning for people who ignore the most obvious one?
daz3210 said:
I would tend to agree, but what are the rules in law? As I said there are fields by us that regularly contain cows. I would like to think that if there is an increased danger that there was a duty to warn me of such. Regularly I walk through these fields (with a dog), and thus far the beasts present have in the main ignored both me and the dog.
I find cows are mostly harmless, even friendly. I don't trust them with calves, though.Bullocks can be a nuisance - I think they are just very curious, but they're big and clumsy and get too close for comfort. There are a few rivers I fish where you hear a noise behind you, turn round and there's a whole herd of the bloody things watching you!
otolith said:
daz3210 said:
I would tend to agree, but what are the rules in law? As I said there are fields by us that regularly contain cows. I would like to think that if there is an increased danger that there was a duty to warn me of such. Regularly I walk through these fields (with a dog), and thus far the beasts present have in the main ignored both me and the dog.
I find cows are mostly harmless, even friendly. I don't trust them with calves, though.Bullocks can be a nuisance - I think they are just very curious, but they're big and clumsy and get too close for comfort. There are a few rivers I fish where you hear a noise behind you, turn round and there's a whole herd of the bloody things watching you!
lol they are funny at timeslike when they "play" with a dead rabbit by sucking it's innards out and throw the skin around like a Frisbee
y2blade said:
It would appear that Common sense went out of the window years ago.
As she was in her 70s, I would have put her in the generation where common sense prevailed over a reliance on H&S.Why can't farmers put up a sign on every field stating what lives in it, and how dangerous it is, together with a brief description of the animals concerned, their habitat and diet, and any other pertinent facts, just like a zoo - it would be edumacation and H&S all rolled into one! Oh, and lets have more fences too to protect people. And moats - I like moats. It's not as though the farmer's right to access to the field is as great as a rambler's right. And whilst we're at it, they ought to make all the herd wear high vis jackets, flashing lights and emit a beeping noise when they move.
Sad tragic accident - nothing more.
daz3210 said:
y2blade said:
Either way Having the "right of way" is not much good when you are dead.
I would tend to agree, but what are the rules in law? As I said there are fields by us that regularly contain cows. I would like to think that if there is an increased danger that there was a duty to warn me of such. Regularly I walk through these fields (with a dog), and thus far the beasts present have in the main ignored both me and the dog.jaf01uk said:
daz3210 said:
y2blade said:
Either way Having the "right of way" is not much good when you are dead.
I would tend to agree, but what are the rules in law? As I said there are fields by us that regularly contain cows. I would like to think that if there is an increased danger that there was a duty to warn me of such. Regularly I walk through these fields (with a dog), and thus far the beasts present have in the main ignored both me and the dog.jaf01uk said:
Have to laugh, what part of "taking personal responsibility" do you struggle with?
None. If it were only so black and white (just like the cows). But, you obviously haven't walked through the fields that I am talking about judging by your ill informed comment.One of the fields I regularly walk is downhill from the entrance I use with a brow that hides the far end of the field, has a small wooded bit at the bottom, with a stream in a severe dip. The cows tend to congregate out of sight of the entrance. The field is maybe 1/3 of a mile long. If the cows were to have calves with them, they probably would not be visible from the stile at the entrance. The field has a public footpath straight through the middle. By the time you see the cows you would be over half way into the field. How then sir should I take personal responsibility in this instance, since you seem to have a better understanding than you credit me for?
My wife keeps chickens in the back garden. She has eighteen of them at the moment.
Last week we had a small jack russell come in and destroy two of them. The chickens were left in bits all over the garden and she is currently nursing a third which has some dirty great holes bitten out of it, and now has fly strike.
The dog was too fast to be caught by her, and managed to scrabble through one fence and jump another to get to the birds.
If I'd been there and had an avaiable gun I'd have shot the dog.
If someone wanted to remonstrate with me I'd have told them they were responsible for the dogs death, not me.
Its simple really, you let your dog onto someone elses property, you are responsible.
I could post video, but I suggest you dog lovers might not enjoy to see what a dog does when it doesn't have an owner around to say how gentle it is.
Last week we had a small jack russell come in and destroy two of them. The chickens were left in bits all over the garden and she is currently nursing a third which has some dirty great holes bitten out of it, and now has fly strike.
The dog was too fast to be caught by her, and managed to scrabble through one fence and jump another to get to the birds.
If I'd been there and had an avaiable gun I'd have shot the dog.
If someone wanted to remonstrate with me I'd have told them they were responsible for the dogs death, not me.
Its simple really, you let your dog onto someone elses property, you are responsible.
I could post video, but I suggest you dog lovers might not enjoy to see what a dog does when it doesn't have an owner around to say how gentle it is.
ofcorsa said:
They are?
I love these little adjacent ruckus/skirmishes next to threads.They're soo much fun.
lollers
Really?
You don't know what to fill a hole in the garden with?
Go-on, off with ya.
You're hardcore, and you don't even know it.
Edited by stuttgartmetal on Friday 12th October 16:26
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