Car Exhaust Noise

[Cotty]

V8RX7 said:

I'll agree on say a TVR (which is quite rare and loud as std) it may be hard to judge.

But on a standard Corsa, Saxo etc a standard one is virtually silent and some of the 3" exhausts can be heard streets away so it would be obvious to my Mum let alone an MOT inspector.

I had a TVR, it was louder than both my current cars put together and both now have sports exhausts. This is the BMW's new pipes, the noise is different to standard, more bassy but not necessarily loud or not un-necessarily loud it passed an MOT.

I had them put on wonky just to ps off the OCD people

[Monkey boy 1]

Just a thought someone has said to me, As I was found guilty in a court of Law for having a modified exhaust, even though it was given a Conditional Discharge, will this have to be declared to my insurance company as a conviction ?

[petergukM500]

Monkey boy 1 said:

Just a thought someone has said to me, As I was found guilty in a court of Law for having a modified exhaust, even though it was given a Conditional Discharge, will this have to be declared to my insurance company as a conviction ?

The clues are "guilty" and "criminal court". As advised on pepipoo.

[ging84]

I think you should dig up your car's type approval certificate, get the stationary sound test value from that, test your car at the same rpm and see if it really is outside of a 3dB(a) tolerance.

[Monkey boy 1]

God I feel a plonker. After contacting the court today asking what conditions were laid down I was told it was an Absolute discharge. Which makes me feel a lot better.

[V8RX7]

Monkey boy 1 said:

God I feel a plonker. After contacting the court today asking what conditions were laid down I was told it was an Absolute discharge. Which makes me feel a lot better.

Great news !

[petergukM500]

Monkey boy 1 said:

God I feel a plonker. After contacting the court today asking what conditions were laid down I was told it was an Absolute discharge. Which makes me feel a lot better.

Still recorded as a criminal offence:

There are four types of sentence available to the courts, depending upon the seriousness of the crime. They are:

1.Absolute discharge - no further action is taken, since either the offence was very minor, or the court considers that the experience has been enough of a deterrent. The offender will receive a criminal record.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/victims_witnesses/going_to_c...

[Monkey boy 1]

petergukM500 said:

Still recorded as a criminal offence:

[ging84]

absolute discharges seem to be spent under the rehabilitation of offenders act after 6 months from the date of conviction, so if your insurance isn't due for 6 months you should never need to tell them

[Zigster]

ging84 said:

absolute discharges seem to be spent under the rehabilitation of offenders act after 6 months from the date of conviction, so if your insurance isn't due for 6 months you should never need to tell them

Are you sure the OP shouldn't tell his insurers immediately? Isn't there a condition that you notify the insurers of relevant changes in your circumstances during the year?

[NDA]

If the OP hasn't been convicted, nor had his license endorsed, is this something that should be mentioned?

[SimianWonder]

Were you to have a Monza exhaust (the quad exit pipes, standard on Competizione trim) fitted to an Abarth 500, Fiat actually give you a letter to confirm the exhaust is compliant with all relevant UK standards. It may be loud at full throttle, but because the valves in the exhaust don't open until a given part of the rev range it will easily pass all noise tests, providing they're correctly performed of course!

[petergukM500]

NDA said:

If the OP hasn't been convicted, nor had his license endorsed, is this something that should be mentioned?

He was found guilty.

[Toltec]

Zigster said:

Are you sure the OP shouldn't tell his insurers immediately? Isn't there a condition that you notify the insurers of relevant changes in your circumstances during the year?

Could it be argued that it is not relevant? The modified exhaust has already been declared, with an assumption that this is the case, so its noise level while irritating to the Norfolk police will not make any difference to the risk.

The safest thing is simply to ask the insurance company, though the answer may depend who you speak to.

[petergukM500]

Toltec said:

Could it be argued that it is not relevant? The modified exhaust has already been declared, with an assumption that this is the case, so its noise level while irritating to the Norfolk police will not make any difference to the risk.

The safest thing is simply to ask the insurance company, though the answer may depend who you speak to.

As to whether the exhaust was declared as amodification - not sure OP has clarified here.

Whether he should declare any convictions immediately or on renewal will be in his T&C.

Edited by petergukM500 on Sunday 2nd June 14:13

[Monkey boy 1]

Exhaust was declared as a mod with my insurance company and was OK'd by them

Edited by Monkey boy 1 on Monday 3rd June 08:38

[Monkey boy 1]

A bit more news on the verdict. Just been back to the court to ask them what the Absolute Discharge actually means. Their answer was ' No further action taken, no criminal record as there was no case to answer' I also asked if it would affect my insurance and they said that is wouldn't as there was no proper case to answer. The Monkey Boy is free.

[NDA]

petergukM500 said:

NDA said:

If the OP hasn't been convicted, nor had his license endorsed, is this something that should be mentioned?

He was found guilty.

Guilty with no case to answer? Seems most odd.

[Monkey boy 1]

All I am saying is what the court clerk told me when i went up there to querie what the verdict meant as I had no had a reply from emails I had sent to the CPS. Yes I had a modified exhaust but because of the failings of the Police procedures then there was no case to answer.

[NDA]

I know it sounds a bit Daily Wail, but I do wish the Police took an equally zealous approach to burglaries.