Car Exhaust Noise

[herewego]

simoid said:

herewego said:

simoid said:

herewego said:

simoid said:

herewego said:

Does the exhaust look standard or does it look aftermarket?

Shirley his 17 year old car is no longer on the original exhaust...

Probably not, but that wasn't my question.

Not sure how it's helpful to any cause bar your curiosity, but carry on

Yeah yeah, well I was just mildly irritated, but I'll move along now.

Interestingly, my car has just blown a hole in its original exhaust, so my car looks entirely standard.

However... start it up, and it sounds like a Spitfire or something

Triumph or Supermarine?

[streaky]

herewego said:

simoid said:

herewego said:

simoid said:

herewego said:

simoid said:

herewego said:

Does the exhaust look standard or does it look aftermarket?

Shirley his 17 year old car is no longer on the original exhaust...

Probably not, but that wasn't my question.

Not sure how it's helpful to any cause bar your curiosity, but carry on

Yeah yeah, well I was just mildly irritated, but I'll move along now.

Interestingly, my car has just blown a hole in its original exhaust, so my car looks entirely standard.

However... start it up, and it sounds like a Spitfire or something

Triumph or Supermarine?

Well, the Merlin was a V12 ... and totally unmistakable.

Streaky

[herewego]

streaky said:

herewego said:

simoid said:

herewego said:

simoid said:

herewego said:

simoid said:

herewego said:

Does the exhaust look standard or does it look aftermarket?

Shirley his 17 year old car is no longer on the original exhaust...

Probably not, but that wasn't my question.

Not sure how it's helpful to any cause bar your curiosity, but carry on

Yeah yeah, well I was just mildly irritated, but I'll move along now.

Interestingly, my car has just blown a hole in its original exhaust, so my car looks entirely standard.

However... start it up, and it sounds like a Spitfire or something

Triumph or Supermarine?

Well, the Merlin was a V12 ... and totally unmistakable.

Streaky

A guy was telling me in a b... meeting last week that he'd been over to Duxford to see the warbirds flying and a guy next to him pipied up that he'd had a Spitfire stuck in his garage for the last couple of years, but it was a four wheeler. Maybe with a hole in the exhaust though he could dream.

[Monkey boy 1]

For the record, the car has a Powerflow system. Original Cat with a 300mm centre box and twin rear boxes. Yes it's not original, but how many sports cars out there have their original systems. More to the point how many Saxo's, Corsa's Fiesta's etc out there have "BigBoy" exhausts and 1 million Gigawatt Subs booming out day and night with out anything being done.

The exhaust has been on my car for about 6 or 7 years with no issues before. It has been declared to my insurance company with no issues. How many of these Saxo's etc. have had their systems declared to the insurance companies ?

[daz3210]

Monkey boy 1 said:

How many of these Saxo's etc. have had their systems declared to the insurance companies ?

That unfortunately is nothing to do with you or your case.

Even declaring your own to your insurer has no bearing if it is too loud.

[Monkey boy 1]

I know but it just felt better putting it "to paper" so to speak. I am just annoyed that I was stopped on a sunny Sunday afternoon buy two Police traffic officers who had a new toy to play with. I wasn't speeding, I wasn't driving like a t**t. Just pootling around in my mid-life chrisis car which I love & cherish.
An over weight, middle aged family bloke just minding his own business.
as you can probably guess it's really beginning to grind on me now

[daz3210]

It would grate on me too.

And I may well be the same as you and want to prove them wrong.

Question is, if you challenge it, what do you stand to get as a sentence if you lose?

[Monkey boy 1]

It's a non-endorceable fine, so if I take them to court an win, fair enough, if I lose, well who knows. as it will probably small claims court, probably cost me the fine plus a bit more, but it's the principle of it. The Police did the test incorrectly and not to the ISO spec.

[daz3210]

Monkey boy 1 said:

It's a non-endorceable fine, so if I take them to court an win, fair enough, if I lose, well who knows. as it will probably small claims court, probably cost me the fine plus a bit more, but it's the principle of it. The Police did the test incorrectly and not to the ISO spec.

Surely it will be magistrates court?

[wizzbilly]

Yet again the system is bent for incompetent officers , you no what to do in future dont you race of like a fool and they wont chase you as if you get hurt they may get taken to court .

so basicly there saying even if correct they will make it stick because a officer that cant even work out the rpm is should of been done at makes you wonder what socitey we live in .
lets take a standard evo etc like the police use i wonder what the test indicates on these be more than what they class as the limit .

i would make your next letter to the local papers to be honest they dont like this tactic as public view of them been incompetent yet again .

[streaky]

wizzbilly said:

Yet again the system is bent for incompetent officers , you no what to do in future dont you race of like a fool and they wont chase you as if you get hurt they may get taken to court .

Streaky

[Monkey boy 1]

Off to Citizens advice today to see what they have to say on the matter. Yes it will probably be magistrates court if I take it all the way. I'm 99.89% sure I have them on a technicality, but it's that 0.1% that is niggling away in the back of my mind.

[simoid]

streaky said:

wizzbilly said:

Yet again the system is bent for incompetent officers , you no what to do in future dont you race of like a fool and they wont chase you as if you get hurt they may get taken to court .

Streaky

You've not seen any of his other posts, have you?

He's had a couple of negative experiences with our BiB, some more or less.successful than others.

[Red Devil]

I would be surprised if the CAB have anyone with the required expertise to advise on this.

The magistrates who will be trying the case probably won't have a clue either, so will need to rely on the legal expertise/advice of the Clerk of the Court.

Your case rests soley on an incorrect test being applied by the BiB. The question is, do you have documentary evidence that they did so which you can put before the bench? Having the right paperwork is everything when relying on a technical defence.

Be aware that you are effectively challenging their 'procedure', which they claim to be correct. They won't take that lying down.

[Monkey boy 1]

Red Devil said:

I would be surprised if the CAB have anyone with the required expertise to advise on this.

The magistrates who will be trying the case probably won't have a clue either, so will need to rely on the legal expertise/advice of the Clerk of the Court.

Your case rests soley on an incorrect test being applied by the BiB. The question is, do you have documentary evidence that they did so which you can put before the bench? Having the right paperwork is everything when relying on a technical defence.

Be aware that you are effectively challenging their 'procedure', which they claim to be correct. They won't take that lying down.

Yes, I have their (Norfolk Police) paperwork which quotes noise test done in accordance with ISO5130 and have a copy of the latest ISO5130 which differs from the police form. As I have said earlier, they checked my car at 5250 RPM, ISO5130 states the test to be done ar 3750RPM. If my maths is correct, that is 1500RPM lower than the Police checked it at THAT is what I am arguing about

[simoid]

Don't get sidetracked into any "I pay insurance and road tax, I don't drive a chav Saxo" rants, don't bother that the Policeman said "it looked loud", conentrate on the fact that your car didn't break any rules by being at X db at Y rpm.

[daz3210]

simoid said:

Don't get sidetracked into any "I pay insurance and road tax, I don't drive a chav Saxo" rants, don't bother that the Policeman said "it looked loud", conentrate on the fact that your car didn't break any rules by being at X db at Y rpm.

Is that right though? From the way this has been explained, there is no rule of X db at Y rpm for the rpm used to test. The measure they have gives the measure it does, but the test should have been (as I understand it) Y-1500, for which there is currently no reading available. At Y-1500 the vehicle may or may not have been in contravention, but does that actually matter in this instance?

[SMGB]

herewego said:

A guy was telling me in a b... meeting last week that he'd been over to Duxford to see the warbirds flying and a guy next to him pipied up that he'd had a Spitfire stuck in his garage for the last couple of years, but it was a four wheeler. Maybe with a hole in the exhaust though he could dream.

Wow epic low pass, did he hear it in time and video it?
Duxford is worth a visit on a warbird day. it got so rowdy with 3 fighter squadrons posted there between the wars, 10 year old Alfas stuffed through hedges at 3 Am on the way back from London etc that they split them up .
So if ever your Grandad complains about your driving trust me it's nothing new.

[Art0ir]

wizzbilly said:

front exit exhaust out front bumper of a honda civic turbo is loud

I always thought exhausts had to exit behind the front wheel?

[simoid]

daz3210 said:

simoid said:

Don't get sidetracked into any "I pay insurance and road tax, I don't drive a chav Saxo" rants, don't bother that the Policeman said "it looked loud", conentrate on the fact that your car didn't break any rules by being at X db at Y rpm.

Is that right though? From the way this has been explained, there is no rule of X db at Y rpm for the rpm used to test. The measure they have gives the measure it does, but the test should have been (as I understand it) Y-1500, for which there is currently no reading available. At Y-1500 the vehicle may or may not have been in contravention, but does that actually matter in this instance?

My view is that if they have no reading for Y-1500 RPM (the appropriate testing speed), then they have no evidence of any rule being broken, other than "it looks a bit loud"