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smartphone hater

1,436 posts

30 months

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I'm sure this new legislation will come as a great relief to my 87 year old mother.

Breadvan72

19,932 posts

50 months

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References to the HRA come from the ill informed media, not from the cases. The cases are about common law rights.

The law does favour the householder.

On the Daily Politics just now, the MInister was unable to explain how the new law would differ from the present law.

La Liga

3,211 posts

43 months

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MrBrightSi said:
As stated, once the boundries are re-drawn, they need to be re-drawn again. Im sorry but these situations need to be looked into, there cannot be a cookie cutter outcome for any of these. Suddenly stating all intruders are open to violence of the home owner make me think that sooner or later someone is bound to invite someone they don't appreciate round for a friendly beating, then only to hide behind "HE BROKE IN!".
It's happened many times already, which is why burglaries where the intruder has been seriously injured are investigated properly.


Zeeky

2,519 posts

99 months

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If a Minister is not a lawyer s/he would be better suited to Home Secretary not Justice Secretary.

BigMacDaddy

364 posts

68 months

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daz3210 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
Breadvan72 said:
You would probably be OK to shoot, if in fear, as the most recent case shows. Tony Martin shot the scrotes as they ran away. That is why he was potted.
i consider that a reasonable action thou
What is your argument for it being reasonable?

It can't be self defence, the opportunity for self defence being an argument has passed immediately they opt to leave.
Pest control?

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daz3210

5,000 posts

127 months

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BigMacDaddy said:
daz3210 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
Breadvan72 said:
You would probably be OK to shoot, if in fear, as the most recent case shows. Tony Martin shot the scrotes as they ran away. That is why he was potted.
i consider that a reasonable action thou
What is your argument for it being reasonable?

It can't be self defence, the opportunity for self defence being an argument has passed immediately they opt to leave.
Pest control?
Next we will be asking if we can use man traps lol


smartphone hater

1,436 posts

30 months

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daz3210 said:
BigMacDaddy said:
daz3210 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
Breadvan72 said:
You would probably be OK to shoot, if in fear, as the most recent case shows. Tony Martin shot the scrotes as they ran away. That is why he was potted.
i consider that a reasonable action thou
What is your argument for it being reasonable?

It can't be self defence, the opportunity for self defence being an argument has passed immediately they opt to leave.
Pest control?
Next we will be asking if we can use man traps lol
And why not? Maybe then people will learn not to be in other people's houses without being invited.

streaky

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19,311 posts

136 months

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Zeeky said:
If a Minister is not a lawyer s/he would be better suited to Home Secretary not Justice Secretary.
Ye Gods and little fishes! The last thing Whitehall wants is a Minister who knows about the job.

Streaky

otolith

26,449 posts

91 months

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It's a lot easier for a politician to state a reasonable intention than it is to frame it in legislation and have the police, CPS and judiciary make it so and the public perceive that it is so.

Tiggsy

8,243 posts

139 months

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The new "law" is stupid headline grabbing nonsense designed to get idiots who dont know (or dont listen to those who do know) the current law is fine.

The only case people ever come up with as an example of not being able to defend your home is Tony Martin.....not sure what law would allow you to shoot people running away with an illegally held shot gun.

People who keep on about how the law is a grey area, or ambiguous are talking tripe.

T

MadMark911

1,567 posts

36 months

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Tiggsy said:
The new "law" is stupid headline grabbing nonsense designed to get idiots who dont know (or dont listen to those who do know) the current law is fine.

The only case people ever come up with as an example of not being able to defend your home is Tony Martin.....not sure what law would allow you to shoot people running away with an illegally held shot gun.

People who keep on about how the law is a grey area, or ambiguous are talking tripe.

T
So we can shoot them if they're facing us? wink

daz3210

5,000 posts

127 months

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Tiggsy said:
People who keep on about how the law is a grey area, or ambiguous are talking tripe.

T
No, it is a grey area, but it cannot be anything other, since every case has to be looked at on its merits.



decadence

502 posts

45 months

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Isn't there a slight worry that more burglars will go with more intentions on defending themselves as well?

Or that burglars will just stick to empty houses when people are at work / holiday (which by percentage is STILL the main way houses get burgled)....

I have an axe in my home within reach if i needed it, but i do wonder if i even would be able too..i'll tell my mates i would...but i reckon i'd st myself unless i was drunk...

If i were a burglar and i thought more people were thinking "hmm i can defend my property and kick burglars buts", i'd take a weapon myself....and a proper one. That is the possible worry now.

Breadvan72

19,932 posts

50 months

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Shamelessly burgled from the other thread:-



decadence

502 posts

45 months

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Breadvan72 said:
Shamelessly burgled from the other thread:-


fantastic!!

Tiggsy

8,243 posts

139 months

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MadMark911 said:
So we can shoot them if they're facing us? wink
As the recent case showed... Yes! Its that simple (ignoring Martins gun was illegally held). Burglar comes at you, shoot then. Burglar runs away don't shoot them.... And keep shooting them while they dive out the window

Red Devil

6,278 posts

95 months

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streaky said:
Ye Gods and little fishes! The last thing Whitehall wants is a Minister who knows about the job.

Streaky
You are Sir Humphrey Appleby, AICMFP. smile

longblackcoat

2,830 posts

70 months

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MadMark911 said:
The prisons are obviously too full of perps - so they want us to kill a few - fair play!

If they can relax the laws on the possession of offensive weapons as well - then burglars may well think twice before breaking into a potential armoury .... wink
There is nothing more effective at short range than a shotgun, and the vast majority of adults could get one of those entirely legally right now. And once you have a licence, you can have just about as many shotguns as you like, and there is literally no limit on the number of cartridges you can have.

Tiggsy

8,243 posts

139 months

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longblackcoat said:
MadMark911 said:
The prisons are obviously too full of perps - so they want us to kill a few - fair play!

If they can relax the laws on the possession of offensive weapons as well - then burglars may well think twice before breaking into a potential armoury .... wink
There is nothing more effective at short range than a shotgun, and the vast majority of adults could get one of those entirely legally right now. And once you have a licence, you can have just about as many shotguns as you like, and there is literally no limit on the number of cartridges you can have.
So to be clear...

CURRENT LAW - get a shotgun with a licence, if burgled and in danger, shoot them. You WILL NOT be in trouble (as proved)

As such, only people who need a new law are muppets and The Sun headline writers who thought up "batter a burglar".

RtdRacer

1,274 posts

88 months

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daz3210 said:
How does the Human Rights Act sit with this? Always we hear of the offenders Human Rights, but seem to forget the rights of the person wronged.

How difficult would it be to make a law that said immediately you commit an offence your Human Rights are diminished, or removed totally? I guess what I am thinking is put the emphasis on the rights of the wronged person.
That's how the law is at the moment. You have a right not to have violence used against you.

WHen you break into someone's house, or attack someone else, that right is diminished.
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