Stab a dog, criminal damage?
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James Cameron said:
Its interesting the number of people who think that if your dog has a fight, its OK to kill the other dog and stab a woman.
Tyson was bleeding from the dog fight. Daisy told me that while she did not closely examine the other dog, the other dog did not appear to be injured.
Tyson was well known around Hampstead. There are many people who well not recognise what is in some of your fevered imagination.
It is standard procedure that if a dog sees another dog, they run toward the other dog. The problem with a big dog like Tyson is if he runs over it looks scary.
For those who are unaware, Daisy was not Tyson's owner until he was 2 years old. I think he had had a few owners. I think the previous owner had had a problem with not having been allowed to have a dog in that housing. Aside from Daisy did not name him Tyson, he was a nice dog.
I walked Tyson on a number of occasions. He would meet and greet other dogs. I changed direction when I saw Staffs, I had been told he had been attacked by Staffs.
Was the other dog examined by a vet that night?
looking at it from both sides.Tyson was bleeding from the dog fight. Daisy told me that while she did not closely examine the other dog, the other dog did not appear to be injured.
Tyson was well known around Hampstead. There are many people who well not recognise what is in some of your fevered imagination.
It is standard procedure that if a dog sees another dog, they run toward the other dog. The problem with a big dog like Tyson is if he runs over it looks scary.
For those who are unaware, Daisy was not Tyson's owner until he was 2 years old. I think he had had a few owners. I think the previous owner had had a problem with not having been allowed to have a dog in that housing. Aside from Daisy did not name him Tyson, he was a nice dog.
I walked Tyson on a number of occasions. He would meet and greet other dogs. I changed direction when I saw Staffs, I had been told he had been attacked by Staffs.
Was the other dog examined by a vet that night?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216806/Mo...
Tyson has got a 'reputation' confirmed by several residents (in link) of charging/attacking other dogs, also never on leash and allowed to roam freely, which if as you say Tyson has been attacked by dogs before is not really the greatest idea is it.
Granted we dont know who started on who... Daisy will say it might have been Monty, Mr Steadman will say Tyson... who knows.
You ask if the other dog really got attacked and was checked by a vet as the owner of Tyson says it was not injured, are you a qualified vet or is daisy? Im pretty certain that the fact Mr steadman was in custody for 22 hours and was released without charge means he has enough evidence to back up what he did, both with that he was acting in self defence of his dog and with evidence that his dog was attacked.
As unfortunate as it is with the outcome, why did the owner of Tyson not avoid it by attempting to pull the bull dog off a terrier, if Mr steadman was in fact screaming at her to get Tyson off Monty? Instead she stroked him?
I guess we will never truly be told the exact story as it will be a little biased depending on whose side everyone is on, but what did happen was an unfortunate set of circumstances that resulted in the death of a dog that could have been so easily avoided.
Nigel Worc's said:
Your average Labrador isn't far off 45 kgs, a fact often missed by people who think they are all guide dogs !
The average labrador is nowhere near 45kg. Breed standards for a lab are for males to weigh between 27kg and 34kg. Our show bred boy at 2 years old is 30kg. So to summarise.....
We've gone from, man with 5 knives chases woman on waste ground & stabs dog to death in a mad frenzy...
To
A geezer on his front door step watching his dog getting slowly throttled to death, whilst the female owner ambles up Five minutes later & starts stroking, said attacking dog...
Is that about it ?
We've gone from, man with 5 knives chases woman on waste ground & stabs dog to death in a mad frenzy...
To
A geezer on his front door step watching his dog getting slowly throttled to death, whilst the female owner ambles up Five minutes later & starts stroking, said attacking dog...
Is that about it ?
Edited by RUSSELLM on Monday 15th October 14:48
Boshly said:
Jasandjules said:
Tonberry said:
Be clear that if your dog attempts to attack me or any person I am with it will be dealt with appropriately.
You'll get badly hurt? Or are you some form of steel skinned person when a large dog with large teeth bites you won't feel it? Just curious really.
Your bravado laden response, though I hope was 'tongue in cheek', is what gives big dogs (via their owners) such a bad reputation.
The criminal in the original story, though, should without doubt not be on the streets. What next, a kid kicks a ball over his fence?
It's sad that such deviants are allowed freedom.
I feel for the guy who dealt out the stabbing to the other dog, it will haunt him for some time to come and from everything i have read must have been a terrible ordeal. I feel for the owner of Tyson too but only as far as she has lost a loved family pet, which from the sounds of things should have been muzzled, not a family pet and on a bloody lead!
Not sure how i would react if next doors American Bulldog did that to my Jack Russel but i can imagine i would do what he did and go for the nearest object that could be used as a weapon and deal with it to the best of my ability!
Not sure how i would react if next doors American Bulldog did that to my Jack Russel but i can imagine i would do what he did and go for the nearest object that could be used as a weapon and deal with it to the best of my ability!
So the original article said "secluded walkway ... the enraged owner of the other pet left the scene in Woodland Walk only to return moments later with two 10inch knives and three other blades."
Which was a load of crap? It was a walkway at the foot of the mans garden and moments actually means seconds after he had frantically tried to kick the crap out of the dog to save his own?
I love mis-reporting. Really do.
Which was a load of crap? It was a walkway at the foot of the mans garden and moments actually means seconds after he had frantically tried to kick the crap out of the dog to save his own?
I love mis-reporting. Really do.
Crippo said:
bigandclever said:
Crippo said:
Just imagine if that horrible dog had attacked a child.
Why? It didn't.Just imagine if it had been captaining the Hindenburg, oh, the humanity!
Yes I know that lots of different breeds of dogs can attack, Dobermans, Alsation, Pit bulls, Saffordshire Bull Terriers, Rottweilers....I'm sure there are others too. I dont think any of them have any place on our streets any more than people should be allowed to carry either knives or guns around. In fact people with knives and guns are more reliable and can at least be reasoned with . As mentioned in posts further back, if some of these big strong dogs decide to go then there is little their owners can do to stop them.
Why is the comment about children irrelevant? I accept that it has nothing to do in this particular case but my point was that if a child had been attacked then the dog lovers wouldnt be so defensive of the attacking dog
Why is the comment about children irrelevant? I accept that it has nothing to do in this particular case but my point was that if a child had been attacked then the dog lovers wouldnt be so defensive of the attacking dog
Crippo said:
Yes I know that lots of different breeds of dogs can attack, Dobermans, Alsation, Pit bulls, Saffordshire Bull Terriers, Rottweilers....I'm sure there are others too. I dont think any of them have any place on our streets any more than people should be allowed to carry either knives or guns around. In fact people with knives and guns are more reliable and can at least be reasoned with . As mentioned in posts further back, if some of these big strong dogs decide to go then there is little their owners can do to stop them.
Why is the comment about children irrelevant? I accept that it has nothing to do in this particular case but my point was that if a child had been attacked then the dog lovers wouldnt be so defensive of the attacking dog
Yes but what if it had been piloting the Hindenburg and the Hindenburg had been full of babies and all the babies were given a set of five knives!!! Won't someone just think of the babies!!!!Why is the comment about children irrelevant? I accept that it has nothing to do in this particular case but my point was that if a child had been attacked then the dog lovers wouldnt be so defensive of the attacking dog
That Tyson actually did not bite off Evander Holyfield's ear.
It appears that some of you would point an accusing finger at anyone called Saville.
Its possible a few people may have imagined that the (Staffordshire Bull) Terrier was the excellent little Yorkshire Terrier around there, who regularly gave Tyson what for.
It appears that some of you would point an accusing finger at anyone called Saville.
Its possible a few people may have imagined that the (Staffordshire Bull) Terrier was the excellent little Yorkshire Terrier around there, who regularly gave Tyson what for.
James Cameron said:
That Tyson actually did not bite off Evander Holyfield's ear.
It appears that some of you would point an accusing finger at anyone called Saville.
Its possible a few people may have imagined that the (Staffordshire Bull) Terrier was the excellent little Yorkshire Terrier around there, who regularly gave Tyson what for.
Out of interest seeing as you appear to know more than the rest of us what happened could you tell us what did happen and your relationship to it all? I suspect that since you to some extent searched out this forum you do have some level of interest in one side of it and would be interested to hear a none-news filtered version.It appears that some of you would point an accusing finger at anyone called Saville.
Its possible a few people may have imagined that the (Staffordshire Bull) Terrier was the excellent little Yorkshire Terrier around there, who regularly gave Tyson what for.
James Cameron said:
Its interesting the number of people who think that if your dog has a fight, its OK to kill the other dog and stab a woman.
Tyson was bleeding from the dog fight. Daisy told me that while she did not closely examine the other dog, the other dog did not appear to be injured.
Tyson was well known around Hampstead. There are many people who well not recognise what is in some of your fevered imagination.
It is standard procedure that if a dog sees another dog, they run toward the other dog. The problem with a big dog like Tyson is if he runs over it looks scary.
For those who are unaware, Daisy was not Tyson's owner until he was 2 years old. I think he had had a few owners. I think the previous owner had had a problem with not having been allowed to have a dog in that housing. Aside from Daisy did not name him Tyson, he was a nice dog.
I walked Tyson on a number of occasions. He would meet and greet other dogs. I changed direction when I saw Staffs, I had been told he had been attacked by Staffs.
Was the other dog examined by a vet that night?
The latest of the varying reports, seems to indicate that the smaller dog was being attacked & that neither owner could stop the attack.Tyson was bleeding from the dog fight. Daisy told me that while she did not closely examine the other dog, the other dog did not appear to be injured.
Tyson was well known around Hampstead. There are many people who well not recognise what is in some of your fevered imagination.
It is standard procedure that if a dog sees another dog, they run toward the other dog. The problem with a big dog like Tyson is if he runs over it looks scary.
For those who are unaware, Daisy was not Tyson's owner until he was 2 years old. I think he had had a few owners. I think the previous owner had had a problem with not having been allowed to have a dog in that housing. Aside from Daisy did not name him Tyson, he was a nice dog.
I walked Tyson on a number of occasions. He would meet and greet other dogs. I changed direction when I saw Staffs, I had been told he had been attacked by Staffs.
Was the other dog examined by a vet that night?
One owner has had time to go back to his home & get a weapon to put a stop to it all.
Killing one dog, to save the other.
Is that not the case ?
mcdjl said:
Out of interest seeing as you appear to know more than the rest of us what happened could you tell us what did happen and your relationship to it all? I suspect that since you to some extent searched out this forum you do have some level of interest in one side of it and would be interested to hear a none-news filtered version.
The vets know more.James Cameron said:
mcdjl said:
Out of interest seeing as you appear to know more than the rest of us what happened could you tell us what did happen and your relationship to it all? I suspect that since you to some extent searched out this forum you do have some level of interest in one side of it and would be interested to hear a none-news filtered version.
The vets know more.You come on to defend Tyson from the allegations of the papers, when asked questions, you shoot down the queries with something along the lines of
"You dont know the truth, Tyson and Daisy are not like that, Mr Steadman's dog has gone for Tyson many a time, but that fact missed you by"
So we ask if you can fill us in from the other side that is not the newspapers, if you have inside person knowledge.
All you can say is:
"The vets know more"
Your not really helping the case are you.
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