Stab a dog, criminal damage?

[RB Will]

I'm starting to get a different picture of this in my mind. What with the time frames mentioned and the actions of owners.
To me it looks like Tyson has come and grabbed other dog and rather than try tearing it apart has just got hold of it and pinned it down, mouth around head/ neck/ whatever. Seen a few dog fights and there is no way it could last for a few mins without one or both of the dogs being in pieces.
So while Tyson is pinning other dog down the other dog owner is punching and kicking him to release his dog and as us dog owners know dogs can be stubborn bds and wont drop a toy no matter what you do.
Tysons owner turns up and is cuddling and stroking him trying to get him to release the smaller dog but to no avail so other dog owner nips off to find suitable weapon and goes stabby stabby until release of his not horrifically injured dog.
This theory seems to work in my mind.

[Sexual Chocolate]

RB Will said:

I'm starting to get a different picture of this in my mind. What with the time frames mentioned and the actions of owners.
To me it looks like Tyson has come and grabbed other dog and rather than try tearing it apart has just got hold of it and pinned it down, mouth around head/ neck/ whatever. Seen a few dog fights and there is no way it could last for a few mins without one or both of the dogs being in pieces.
So while Tyson is pinning other dog down the other dog owner is punching and kicking him to release his dog and as us dog owners know dogs can be stubborn bds and wont drop a toy no matter what you do.
Tysons owner turns up and is cuddling and stroking him trying to get him to release the smaller dog but to no avail so other dog owner nips off to find suitable weapon and goes stabby stabby until release of his not horrifically injured dog.
This theory seems to work in my mind.

This sounds about right.

I always though American bull dogs where on the dangerous dogs list. Aren't they crossed with Pit bulls or something in order to get round the law.

[mcdjl]

RB Will said:

I'm starting to get a different picture of this in my mind. What with the time frames mentioned and the actions of owners.
To me it looks like Tyson has come and grabbed other dog and rather than try tearing it apart has just got hold of it and pinned it down, mouth around head/ neck/ whatever. Seen a few dog fights and there is no way it could last for a few mins without one or both of the dogs being in pieces.
So while Tyson is pinning other dog down the other dog owner is punching and kicking him to release his dog and as us dog owners know dogs can be stubborn bds and wont drop a toy no matter what you do.
Tysons owner turns up and is cuddling and stroking him trying to get him to release the smaller dog but to no avail so other dog owner nips off to find suitable weapon and goes stabby stabby until release of his not horrifically injured dog.
This theory seems to work in my mind.

Or:
The two dogs are fighting, man kicks etc gives up as bad job runs off to get knife, goes back starts stabbing dog, five minutes after fight starts and 20 stabs in woman turns up and starts stroking her dog (did i imagine she got cut?) while final few stabs are delivered. Bloke gets arrested by cops (and doesn't know if his dog went to see a vet as hes in the clink for the next 22hrs). Meanwhile hysterical woman isn't comforted about the loss of her lovely pet by everyone in the area, for some unknown reason. Later on police decide not to charge bloke and release him.
Just seems more likely to me than stabbing the dog while the woman is cuddling it.

[RB Will]

Think mine is closer to the mark. Both stories say that both owners were present before the man went to get any knives and the man said that his dog was clamped in the jaws of Tyson so no real fighting.

[mcdjl]

RB Will said:

Think mine is closer to the mark. Both stories say that both owners were present before the man went to get any knives and the man said that his dog was clamped in the jaws of Tyson so no real fighting.

article said:

It was like a lion on top of a gazelle. I was screaming for help and the owner was nowhere to be seen.
When she did finally turn up five minutes later all she did was stroke her dog. I was kicking and punching it but it wouldn’t budge so I went into the kitchen and got three knives. 'I’m not proud of what I’ve done but what was I supposed to do, stand there and let it kill my dog?'

Possibly That statement seems a bit ambiguous to me: I can read it my way or your way- try reading this:

article said:

It was like a lion on top of a gazelle. I was screaming for help and the owner was nowhere to be seen.
I was kicking and punching it but it wouldn’t budge so I went into the kitchen and got three knives. When she did finally turn up five minutes later all she did was stroke her dog. 'I’m not proud of what I’ve done but what was I supposed to do, stand there and let it kill my dog?'

Its the same thing, just the sentences in a different order, depends on how he was telling the story i think and without it being direct quotes the paper could change it around. I'd expect him to be more likely to face charges if your version is right, and also that the woman might have been in the way.
Since theres someone that appears to know, maybe they could tell us?

[sugerbear]

James Cameron said:

Also, she had noticed his dog (he had returned with his dog) looked horrified when he was stabbing Tyson.

This is a genuine laugh out loud commet )

I can just imagine the dog saying in "scooby doo" accent "dont do it shaggy". Seriously, anyone that thinks they can read the facial expressions of a dog must have been on the red-stripe all day long.

A horrified looking dog. Comedy gold..

[James Cameron]

+ his dog was scared of him.

Dogs fight. It occasionally happens and that Is a fact of life.

[James Cameron]

My dog had a couple of fights.

I think you'll find that most dog owners will have experienced their dog fighting.

Some of you are prime Dum Britain.

[mcdjl]

James Cameron said:

My dog had a couple of fights.

I think you'll find that most dog owners will have experienced their dog fighting.

Some of you are prime Dum Britain.

We're giving it a best guess from the papers and I'd have thought being fairly balanced. since you actually know why not tell us?

[RB Will]

mcdjl said:

Its the same thing, just the sentences in a different order, depends on how he was telling the story i think and without it being direct quotes the paper could change it around. I'd expect him to be more likely to face charges if your version is right, and also that the woman might have been in the way.
Since theres someone that appears to know, maybe they could tell us?

You could re arrange his story to make it seem different but womans story also says she was there before he went to get knives.
I think he would have been in trouble if the dogs had been separated like the woman claims but as he was not I guess we can assumes the police have believed that he was stabbing to release his dog.

To be honest I don't think James knows anything by the sound of it, oh and James when you are calling people stupid at least spell it right. The word is DUMB!

[mcdjl]

RB Will said:

You could re arrange his story to make it seem different but womans story also says she was there before he went to get knives.
I think he would have been in trouble if the dogs had been separated like the woman claims but as he was not I guess we can assumes the police have believed that he was stabbing to release his dog.

To be honest I don't think James knows anything by the sound of it, oh and James when you are calling people stupid at least spell it right. The word is DUMB!

Very true, I just know that sometimes I tell stories a bit backwards in that way.

[icetea]

James Cameron said:

Dogs fight. It occasionally happens and that Is a fact of life.

Then would you not say it makes sense to keep a large, strong dog on a leash? Or muzzled? Doing either of those here could have prevented this whole thing happening.

[James Cameron]

Du1point8 said:

James Cameron said:

Its a bit strange: Some nights ago I heard the presenter on a radio talk show refer to the guy as Alan McFinnian.

I know Im going to regret this, but I dont understand what you are on about? But you have come up with stranger.

I temporarily let that go under the radar.

(Du1point8 is a cop)

[James Cameron]

icetea said:

James Cameron said:

Dogs fight. It occasionally happens and that Is a fact of life.

Then would you not say it makes sense to keep a large, strong dog on a leash? Or muzzled? Doing either of those here could have prevented this whole thing happening.

Perhaps you should have read some more posts.

Not only do dogs fight, when they do fight there are often cuts and bite marks. On one occasion I was sitting in a park with my dog. My dog was not well that day. A boxer wanted to play with her, she didn't want to know. The owner of the boxer was a woman who came across like a psychologist. She was talking to me while her dog was harassing my dog. It was heavy harassment. I explained to her my dog wasn't well and could she please take her dog away. She ignored me and kept talking. My dog was showing her teeth to the boxer and trying to hide behind my legs. On a number of occasions I asked the woman to take her dog away. She kept ignoring me and talking to me. I got the impression she was a bully and was enjoying my discomfort. This had been going on for some time before my dog (who was small) launched at the boxer's face. The boxer's mouth was dripping with blood.

On another occasion I was in a park with a friend and the big 2 of his 3 dogs. I was throwing a stick for the dogs. My dog was fast and each time got the stick. However, one of his dogs realised not to come to me when I had the stick, but to cleverly stand well back so she could get the stick. I threw the stick near her so she could get it. Embarrassingly, my dog was furious and launched into the attack, as apparently she thought she had a divine right. While those 2 were fighting, the other dog joined in against my dog. We managed to separate them. Although my dog was small, she was fit and strong and managed to break free from my arms and attack the dog who had got the stick again. She was keen. They were all friends again that evening. My dog had bite marks from the dog who had joined in. The dog she attacked had long hair.

I've remembered she also had another fight with the long haired dog. My friend's 3 dogs had a pecking order at food time. The one who joined in would eat, then the long haired dog would eat, then the other dog would eat. My dog decided to eat after the first dog.

On another occasion she narrowly avoided an attack by what looked like a pitbull off the lead in the street.

On another occasion, when she was young (many years before the other stick incident), she tried to start a fight with a Staff of a friend when I was throwing a stick for them. Luckily the Staff did not respond. I gave her a stern telling off.

Thats, as far as I can recall, the entire fighting account over 14 years.

Even if some of the police are not, vets are aware that dogs do fight.

Is it really too much to ask if the vet can confirm whether the guy's account is true?

[mjb1]

The police arrested him and held him in custody while they investigated. Within 24 hours they had decided not to charge him with anything. Are you saying that the police are bent?

Maybe they even spoke to the vet (maybe they didn't), but they know more than we do about the incident.

I'm not sure you should own a dog yourself, based on what you've said about your own animal.

[RB Will]

James I have no idea what the point of that last post was?

If you have any interesting information to add regarding the attack then please do but otherwise just leave.

[James Cameron]

I'd reckon what happened should be left to the vets - assuming the vet is not the pathologist in the Mingwei Tan case.

[mcdjl]

James Cameron said:

I'd reckon what happened should be left to the vets - assuming the vet is not the pathologist in the Mingwei Tan case.

So your dog has been in lots of fights, does that means that this bloke should have been happy about his dog being in a fight? I don't believe any of my friends dogs have been in fights that have left marks like that.
Quite what Mingwei (a student run over by a bus) has to do with a dog fight is totally lost on me.

[James Cameron]

mcdjl said:

So your dog has been in lots of fights, does that means that this bloke should have been happy about his dog being in a fight? I don't believe any of my friends dogs have been in fights that have left marks like that.
Quite what Mingwei (a student run over by a bus) has to do with a dog fight is totally lost on me.

Left bite marks like what?

'In the course of their lives, dogs are likely to get injured now and then. Your pet may run into a tree branch or rub against a sharp object. Your dog may even get in an occasional fight and wind up with a wound that requires attention.'

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-treat...

I'm surprised Mr Stearman's online police support group haven't complained that the media apparently have not contacted the vet to corroborated his account. If he was telling the truth..

'A DOG needed six stitches after an out of control Staffordshire bull terrier ‘locked on’ to its neck, a court heart.'

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/whippet-needed-stitc...

Here's some useful information:

http://leerburg.com/dogfight.htm


I saw the Mingwei Tan crime scene.

[Boshly]

James Cameron said:

That Tyson actually did not bite off Evander Holyfield's ear.

James Cameron said:

My mobile phone has been blocked.

James Cameron said:

(The phone started working later. Perhaps someone listening had pressed the wrong button)

James Cameron said:

Its a bit strange: Some nights ago I heard the presenter on a radio talk show refer to the guy as Alan McFinnian.

James Cameron said:

Also, she had noticed his dog (he had returned with his dog) looked horrified when he was stabbing Tyson.

James Cameron said:

My dog had a couple of fights.
I think you'll find that most dog owners will have experienced their dog fighting.
Some of you are prime Dum Britain.

James Cameron said:

temporarily let that go under the radar.
(Du1point8 is a cop)

James Cameron said:

On one occasion I was sitting in a park with my dog. My dog was not well that day. A boxer wanted to play with her, she didn't want to know. The owner of the boxer was a woman who came across like a psychologist. She was talking to me while her dog was harassing my dog. It was heavy harassment. I explained to her my dog wasn't well and could she please take her dog away. She ignored me and kept talking. My dog was showing her teeth to the boxer and trying to hide behind my legs. On a number of occasions I asked the woman to take her dog away. She kept ignoring me and talking to me. I got the impression she was a bully and was enjoying my discomfort. This had been going on for some time before my dog (who was small) launched at the boxer's face. The boxer's mouth was dripping with blood.
On another occasion I was in a park with a friend and the big 2 of his 3 dogs. I was throwing a stick for the dogs. My dog was fast and each time got the stick. However, one of his dogs realised not to come to me when I had the stick, but to cleverly stand well back so she could get the stick. I threw the stick near her so she could get it. Embarrassingly, my dog was furious and launched into the attack, as apparently she thought she had a divine right. While those 2 were fighting, the other dog joined in against my dog. We managed to separate them. Although my dog was small, she was fit and strong and managed to break free from my arms and attack the dog who had got the stick again. She was keen. They were all friends again that evening. My dog had bite marks from the dog who had joined in. The dog she attacked had long hair.
I've remembered she also had another fight with the long haired dog. My friend's 3 dogs had a pecking order at food time. The one who joined in would eat, then the long haired dog would eat, then the other dog would eat. My dog decided to eat after the first dog.
On another occasion she narrowly avoided an attack by what looked like a pitbull off the lead in the street.
On another occasion, when she was young (many years before the other stick incident), she tried to start a fight with a Staff of a friend when I was throwing a stick for them. Luckily the Staff did not respond. I gave her a stern telling off.
Thats, as far as I can recall, the entire fighting account over 14 years.

James Cameron said:

I'd reckon what happened should be left to the vets - assuming the vet is not the pathologist in the Mingwei Tan case.

James Cameron said:

I saw the Mingwei Tan crime scene.

You guys really trying to have a sensible debate with this guy?

(yes I know some is selective quoting but it’s all up there!!)