Plebgate - An interesting new twist

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What we need now is a rambling 43 paragraph anecdote about how 40 years ago some lout was spotted on a cctv system designed, specced, and operated by yours truly, and the result of said lout was a clip 'round the ear from the duty sergeant etc. Then it can in some irrelevant way be linked to the current thread.

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Oh, and said story must include the phrases "on the south coast", "someone quite famous but my lawyers say I can't tell you who, but it well known by many" and, my personal favourite "and at the end of it all I'd reduced crime in the area by 104%"

[Red 4]

Rovinghawk said:

I ask again- where is this alleged evidence proving Mitchell naughty, bearing in mind that he's about the only person in the Plebgate saga that hasn't been shown to be a liar?

"Evidence"- from the latin meaning that which is seen.

PC Toby Rowland (remember him - the officer who was subject to Mitchell's tirade) has not been shown to be a liar.

That is why he is suing Mitchell.

Mitchell lied on the Dispatches programme. He (deliberately in my opinion) misquoted what the police log said.

"Several people were present outside the gates" suddenly became "crowds of people".

There is one example of Mitchell lying for you. "Evidence" if you prefer ...

[ClaphamGT3]

Red 4 said:

Rovinghawk said:

I ask again- where is this alleged evidence proving Mitchell naughty, bearing in mind that he's about the only person in the Plebgate saga that hasn't been shown to be a liar?

"Evidence"- from the latin meaning that which is seen.

PC Toby Rowland (remember him - the officer who was subject to Mitchell's tirade) has not been shown to be a liar.

That is why he is suing Mitchell.

Mitchell lied on the Dispatches programme. He (deliberately in my opinion) misquoted what the police log said.

"Several people were present outside the gates" suddenly became "crowds of people".

There is one example of Mitchell lying for you. "Evidence" if you prefer ...

Nice try but your opinion isn't terribly relevant - Derek made a very specific allegation; I don't understand why he won't substantiate it.

[pork911]

Have we not had this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/03/le...

[ClaphamGT3]

pork911 said:

Have we not had this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/03/le...

I suspect that this libel trial is going to tarnish the Police's reputation still further.

[Red 4]

pork911 said:

Have we not had this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/03/le...

So there was a long-standing dispute between Mitchell and police officers tasked with security at Downing Street ...

That just adds weight to the argument that Mitchell was abusive - he was growing increasingly frustrated.

Another string to PC Rowlands's bow in my opinion - policy concerning the opening of the gates is irrelevant. This is about Mitchell's actions.

[pork911]

Red 4 said:

pork911 said:

Have we not had this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/03/le...

So there was a long-standing dispute between Mitchell and police officers tasked with security at Downing Street ...

That just adds weight to the argument that Mitchell was abusive - he was growing increasingly frustrated.

Another string to PC Rowlands's bow in my opinion - policy concerning the opening of the gates is irrelevant. This is about Mitchell's actions.

That's quite some bias.

[ClaphamGT3]

Red 4 said:

pork911 said:

Have we not had this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/03/le...

So there was a long-standing dispute between Mitchell and police officers tasked with security at Downing Street ...

That just adds weight to the argument that Mitchell was abusive - he was growing increasingly frustrated.

Another string to PC Rowlands's bow in my opinion - policy concerning the opening of the gates is irrelevant. This is about Mitchell's actions.

I think that the only thing that can reasonably be inferred from the letter, is that the police had already been reprimanded for failing to act properly. It is far too tenuous a link to suggest that, because Mr Mitchell had previously been one of a number of ministers who had been on the receiving end of this, that it is somehow evidence to support the allegations of the pc on the gate that day

Edited by ClaphamGT3 on Saturday 7th June 12:19

[NoNeed]

Red 4 said:

pork911 said:

Have we not had this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/03/le...

So there was a long-standing dispute between Mitchell and police officers tasked with security at Downing Street ...

That just adds weight to the argument that Mitchell was abusive - he was growing increasingly frustrated.

Another string to PC Rowlands's bow in my opinion - policy concerning the opening of the gates is irrelevant. This is about Mitchell's actions.

Sounds like the coppers didn't want to do what they are paid to do and they did not like people making complaints.

Edited by NoNeed on Saturday 7th June 12:30

[Red 4]

ClaphamGT3 said:

1. I think that the only thing that can reasonably be inferred from the letter, is that the police had already been reprimanded for failing to act properly.

2. It is far to tenuous a link to suggest that, because Mr Mitchell had previously been one of a number of ministers who had been on the receiving end of this, that it is somehow evidence to support the allegations of the pc on the gate that day

1. Where does it say police officers had been reprimanded ?

Where does it say the police failed to act properly ?

2. It shows he wasn't happy - on previous occasions - about being denied access to Downing Street on his bike.

So much so that he had complained before ...

It shows he had problems with the officers on the gates before this incident ...

[Rovinghawk]

Red 4 said:

1. Where does it say police officers had been reprimanded ?
Where does it say the police failed to act properly ?

There was a formal complaint from 10 Downing Street to the Met.
They tend not to complain when things are being done properly.

Red 4 said:

2. It shows he wasn't happy - on previous occasions - about being denied access to Downing Street on his bike.
So much so that he had complained before ...
It shows he had problems with the officers on the gates before this incident ...

Quite a few members of the government had similar issues & complaints, according to the article.
The common factor would appear to be the gate guards.

[vonhosen]

Rovinghawk said:

Red 4 said:

1. Where does it say police officers had been reprimanded ?
Where does it say the police failed to act properly ?

There was a formal complaint from 10 Downing Street to the Met.
They tend not to complain when things are being done properly.

People complain all the time when things are done properly, such as where how they'd like it done may not be considered proper.

Rovinghawk said:

Red 4 said:

2. It shows he wasn't happy - on previous occasions - about being denied access to Downing Street on his bike.
So much so that he had complained before ...
It shows he had problems with the officers on the gates before this incident ...

Quite a few members of the government had similar issues & complaints, according to the article.
The common factor would appear to be the gate guards.

If the gate guards are doing it as per the standing order the problem is not with them, if they aren't then it could be.

[V8 Fettler]

Bizarre that Plebgate this should ever have reached this stage. Plod_at_the-gate needs to be micro-managed (book of words with standing orders), senior politicians need to have an understanding of man-management and defusing a situation. No i/d cards for politicians to gain access to 10 Downing St? More bizarreness.

The whole mess is being paid for with my money, fantastic.

[V8 Fettler]

Derek Smith said:

.... procurement process....

A client's requirements should be satisfied by a well-managed procurement process, provided the budget is adequate!

The pre-qualification process should weed out the incompetent tenderers, the primary decision then is contract type.

[carinaman]

V8 Fettler said:

Bizarre that Plebgate this should ever have reached this stage. Plod_at_the-gate needs to be micro-managed (book of words with standing orders), senior politicians need to have an understanding of man-management and defusing a situation. No i/d cards for politicians to gain access to 10 Downing St? More bizarreness.

The whole mess is being paid for with my money, fantastic.

Without a Sat Nav none of them would be capable of finding their way to a brewery.

[carinaman]

Addison, the disseminator of st porn, has been sacked:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-278359...

As it's the weekend and sunny and some porn may have contained pets I'll share this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNTxq2v3jcM

Porno for Plebs?

[Rovinghawk]

carinaman said:

Addison, the disseminator of st porn, has been sacked:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-278359...

And the investigation/ dismissal procedure only took seven months.

[carinaman]

Rovinghawk said:

And the investigation/ dismissal procedure only took seven months.

The wheels of justice turn slowly and quite a few in that field seem to suffer from constipation.

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

carinaman said:

Addison, the disseminator of st porn, has been sacked:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-278359...

And the investigation/ dismissal procedure only took seven months.

Indeed, shows how serious they have taken it when a major investigation is done top to toe, followed by a criminal trial and then the misconduct hearing only taking 7 months.