Plebgate - An interesting new twist

[Scuffers]

and 2 years later, back to court!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30082706

[carinaman]

'I was eating my sandwiches'

[XCP]

is funny why?

[carinaman]

It amuses me that 'He said, she said' school playground handbags can lead to such information coming out:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/19/pl...

It's his 'honestly held belief' or opinion that the three bystanders were visibly shocked and distressed?

Perhaps the College of Policing will use it as a case study about the importance of not being a Jobsworth?

[Rovinghawk]

This is the first time I've heard of one of the officers' girlfriends being persuaded to pretend to be a witness. Naughty if true- conspiracy to PtCoJ?

[carinaman]

Rovinghawk said:

This is the first time I've heard of one of the officers' girlfriends being persuaded to pretend to be a witness. Naughty if true- conspiracy to PtCoJ?

I'd not heard that. It's a bit like a BBC Researcher scouting around for a kid with a musical box for Savile's mate Harding?

[carinaman]

Rovinghawk said:

This is the first time I've heard of one of the officers' girlfriends being persuaded to pretend to be a witness. Naughty if true- conspiracy to PtCoJ?

Given the Huhne, Pryce and Constance Briscoe stuff if someone has been a false witness surely they should be in the box looking at potential custodial sentence?

Or is lying somehow less serious than dodging speeding points? Or are members of the public and friends and associates of police officers less duty bound than judges to tell the truth?

[NailedOn]

How is Officer Rowland reckoning on proving, to the satisfaction of the court, that Mitchell used the alleged words?

[EskimoArapaho]

NailedOn said:

How is Officer Rowland reckoning on proving, to the satisfaction of the court, that Mitchell used the alleged words?

His recollection now and the notebook write-up from the time are all the proof needed. Shirley?

[liner33]

The court will be asked to decide as to who is the most convincing liar .

[carinaman]

It's a shame the 'witnesses' on the other side of the gate haven't come forward and made statements.

Perhaps they're still in deep shock and too busy getting counselling?

[irocfan]

EskimoArapaho said:

NailedOn said:

How is Officer Rowland reckoning on proving, to the satisfaction of the court, that Mitchell used the alleged words?

His recollection now and the notebook write-up from the time are all the proof needed. Shirley?

sooo one's a professional liar the other's a politician (that's a JOKE!!) - seriously though it is an interesting one since as (former) chief Whip Tory Boy can also be thought to have a reputation 'beyond reproach' so the usual 'police are always right' approach can't work here, in addition a fair amount seems to have come out where plod was being econimical with the truth which makes you wonder what else he's bullstting about

[Elroy Blue]

You seem to be missing all the things that Mitchell suddenly can't remember, 'may have said', 'isn't sure about', 'possibly may have happened'. He seems to have a very selective memory when it comes to recalling his previous abusive, condescending nature towards Police Officers.

[Scuffers]

Elroy Blue said:

You seem to be missing all the things that Mitchell suddenly can't remember, 'may have said', 'isn't sure about', 'possibly may have happened'. He seems to have a very selective memory when it comes to recalling his previous abusive, condescending nature towards Police Officers.

and you can remember verbatim what you have said in passing 2+ years ago?

[singlecoil]

Scuffers said:

Elroy Blue said:

You seem to be missing all the things that Mitchell suddenly can't remember, 'may have said', 'isn't sure about', 'possibly may have happened'. He seems to have a very selective memory when it comes to recalling his previous abusive, condescending nature towards Police Officers.

and you can remember verbatim what you have said in passing 2+ years ago?

Well Mr Mitchell definitely remembers what he didn't say, so that does make one wonder why he can't remember what he did say.

[Scuffers]

singlecoil said:

Well Mr Mitchell definitely remembers what he didn't say, so that does make one wonder why he can't remember what he did say.

here we go again

PC plod is perfect and that nasty Tory is a bad man...

(two years ago, he is on tape saying what he actually said)

[singlecoil]

Scuffers said:

singlecoil said:

Well Mr Mitchell definitely remembers what he didn't say, so that does make one wonder why he can't remember what he did say.

here we go again

PC plod is perfect and that nasty Tory is a bad man...

(two years ago, he is on tape saying what he actually said)

Why the rolleyes? I haven't said anyone is perfect, and as an ex-Tory (now UKIP) voter, I'm hardly likely to think any the worse of someone for being a Tory.

What I am saying is that no-one other than the two men involved knows the truth of it, so the court will have to decide who they believe. Which way would you go if you were on the jury?

[gruffalo]

singlecoil said:

Scuffers said:

Elroy Blue said:

You seem to be missing all the things that Mitchell suddenly can't remember, 'may have said', 'isn't sure about', 'possibly may have happened'. He seems to have a very selective memory when it comes to recalling his previous abusive, condescending nature towards Police Officers.

and you can remember verbatim what you have said in passing 2+ years ago?

Well Mr Mitchell definitely remembers what he didn't say, so that does make one wonder why he can't remember what he did say.

The thing is that we have already heard from independent witness that "Pleb" is not a word used frequently by Mr Mitchell, nor is it a word that I would use.

I would remember if I had used it as it would be very unusual, however I would not remember if I had or had not used a word more commonly used as it simply would not standout in my memory.

[carinaman]

So we can identify Jihadi John, but we can't find these witnesses on the other side of the gate at the end of Downing Street?

If one have them had put a bag down on the ground as they were passing Downing Street and it had exploded would those passers by been identified then?

[XCP]

Quite possibly. Have you heard of forensic science?