Plebgate - An interesting new twist
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ClaphamGT3 said:
A ministerial career ruined, the reputation of the police force indelibly tarnished and millions of pounds spent and why?
Because two grown men acted like five year-olds. How sad.
I think the Judge was quite specific that only one of the persons present at the gate acted like a child. Because two grown men acted like five year-olds. How sad.
ClaphamGT3 said:
A ministerial career ruined, the reputation of the police force indelibly tarnished and millions of pounds spent and why?
Because two grown men acted like five year-olds. How sad.
What did the police officer do wrong? How did he act like a 5-year-old? He accepted the apology, stated that he was not that bothered by the word pleb and would have been quite happy to leave it there. Because two grown men acted like five year-olds. How sad.
As a police officer he would have been called much worse, by both criminals and those who feel they are a cut above them. There's no PC who hasn't been sworn at for doing his job, who hasn't been patronised because the person realises that the officer can't answer back, and who has turned the other cheek so many times that they need the services of an emergency chiropractor.
There's a bloke who used to be on TV, loved by everyone on PH, and a massive proportion of the public at large, who was often, when confronted by many a police officer doing his job, such as stopping cars going along a main arterial road because of an accident, abusive, vulgar and offensive. The police officers just let it go. Just as this officer did with the unloved Mitchell.
It is a form of bullying, swearing at, and abusing police officers because they know they can get away with it, feel good about themselves, and boast in the pub that they 'put the plod in his place'.
The position, of door man to the gentry, is one which requires officers to ignore behaviour that, if it was a scrote on Saturday in the High Street, might well end up in a caution if the scrote didn't pick the right time to back down. And that is what Mitchell did, he just went too far.
The police officer conceded, Mitchell didn't.
As I said, many officers are abused by many MPs and their entourage at conferences. Back from throwing drink down their throats and being told just how important they are, they suddenly behave like scroats because some PC - and sergeants and inspectors - follow the rules laid down by their own security. Officers are pushed, manhandled and abused, but because these are important drunks, it is allowed to be forgotten, just as this one would have done had not Mitchell decided he too was much too important.
With all the spin doctors at his disposal, Mitchell would have weathered this, well not storm, more like a mild breeze, had he accepted that he had shot his mouth off once too often. But he knew better. He did not exercise proper judgement.
The PC on the other hand did. He accepted the partial apology.
If he, as the judge said, lacks wit, then Mitchell is exposed as a drongo and this witless PC behaved much better than he did.
Derek Smith said:
If he, as the judge said, lacks wit, then Mitchell is exposed as a drongo and this witless PC behaved much better than he did.
It's a very interesting dichotomy from the establishment to the masses. The Judge decided that unlike the well heeled Mitchell who would have no problem with the use of such language as 'pleb', the working class fellow simply doesn't have the capacity to think up such a word in 15 seconds.
So, the 'pleb' couldn't have been called a 'pleb', because he is indeed a 'pleb'.
Elroy Blue said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
A ministerial career ruined, the reputation of the police force indelibly tarnished and millions of pounds spent and why?
Because two grown men acted like five year-olds. How sad.
I think the Judge was quite specific that only one of the persons present at the gate acted like a child. Because two grown men acted like five year-olds. How sad.
IroningMan said:
Elroy Blue said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
A ministerial career ruined, the reputation of the police force indelibly tarnished and millions of pounds spent and why?
Because two grown men acted like five year-olds. How sad.
I think the Judge was quite specific that only one of the persons present at the gate acted like a child. Because two grown men acted like five year-olds. How sad.
Derek Smith said:
The bit about the attempted seizure of Federation funds (and the refusal to pay for a system of control of the police imposed on them by the government) was really quite cynical, even for this government. A case of 'Let's stop this officer defending himself and, more importantly, harming the party.'
The Tories just hate their staff.NailedOn said:
Guido Fawkes saying AM tried three times to settle with The Sun.
Hm....?
Well he has a Sun column so he may know. Was it at the end of Today on Radio 4 on Tuesday or Wednesday that featured an advertorial for Theresa May with Guido's Harry Cole and Sarah Sands from the Evening Standard? It seemed like an advert to me. Hm....?
Derek Smith said:
He was known, I have just read, as Thrasher at Rugby school, this with regards to his 'stern discipline'.
You've been looking at Wikipedia again haven't you? 
Senior prefects have always had considerable powers in the day-to-day running of public schools which operate a House system as Rugby does. Also personal fagging (new boys acting as servants to prefects) was certainly in operation in my time. I'm not sure whether Mitchell would have been a beneficiary of the system prior to its abolition. If so, I certainly wouldn't have wanted him as a fagmaster though, because from what I have heard I'm fairly sure the nickname is apposite. Fortunately our paths never crossed back then as I had left well before he entered the school.
It seems that he hasn't improved or mellowed with age.
Rovinghawk said:
Elroy Blue said:
I think the Judge was quite specific that only one of the persons present at the gate acted like a child.
Apparently another judge was quite specific that there was criminal activity by involved parties. He even sent one to prison.Mk3Spitfire said:
singlecoil said:
Nice bit of irrelevance there, taking you back to your favourite subject.
What did you expect? The outcome will no doubt have upset him greatly. He needs something to hold on to.Rovinghawk said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
singlecoil said:
Nice bit of irrelevance there, taking you back to your favourite subject.
What did you expect? The outcome will no doubt have upset him greatly. He needs something to hold on to.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff