Plebgate - An interesting new twist

[Eclassy]

^^^^

Police hater alert

The police never lie. The police service is filled with incorruptible men and women of integrity who shun corruption.

[carinaman]

walm said:

A reasonable amount to spend on maintaining some integrity in the justice system isn't exactly wasted is it though?
Better than giving it to a bunch of feral youth to spend on weed. (Source: the ten mins I spent listening to the Radio 4 program on Kids Company.)

bhstewie said:

Scuffers said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33854227

and it still rumbles on....

Millions of £ available to spend on this crap, yet no money for a children's charity.

I kind of agree, you do think how much more can it cost and how much longer can it drag on.

But on the other hand I don't want police who lie and if they're dumb enough to do it over something this high profile perhaps they'd do it over something much more mundane which could involve you or I at some point.

From one type of dope to another (Cannabis to hard of thinking police officers).

[singlecoil]

As I recall, they said he didn't give a full account of the confrontation at the gate.

The court case proved they were right, he did indeed fail to give a full account.

[carinaman]

Made real by the Lib Dems:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30096956

Shame you can get a bus through them sideways.

The misconduct hearing will be in public?

Will the police be selling tickets for that Misconduct hearing if it's held in public?

Popcorn Emoticon.

Edited by carinaman on Monday 10th August 19:39

[Greendubber]

Eclassy said:

^^^^

Police hater alert

The police never lie. The police service is filled with incorruptible men and women of integrity who shun corruption.

^^^^^^^^^

Moron alert

[Eclassy]

singlecoil said:

As I recall, they said he didn't give a full account of the confrontation at the gate.

The court case proved they were right, he did indeed fail to give a full account.

The court case didnt 'PROVE' anything. It was the judge's opinion based on a balance of probabilities. Nothing wrong with that anyway

If Plebgate proved anything it was that several men/women in the Met think nothing of embelishing and outright lying going by the criminal prosecution and misconduct panels faced by several officers.

Edited by Eclassy on Monday 10th August 19:46

[singlecoil]

Eclassy said:

singlecoil said:

As I recall, they said he didn't give a full account of the confrontation at the gate.

The court case proved they were right, he did indeed fail to give a full account.

The court case didnt 'PROVE' anything. It was the judge's opinion based on a balance of probabilities. Nothing wrong with that anyway

OK then, on the balance of probabilities Mitchell failed to give a full account. So the policemen were right when they said his position was untenable.

Though actually it became untenable when it became clear that the PM's office considered him a nuisance they were better off without, he didn't need to resign just because some policemen thought he ought to.

[Scuffers]

singlecoil said:

OK then, on the balance of probabilities Mitchell failed to give a full account. So the policemen were right when they said his position was untenable.

Though actually it became untenable when it became clear that the PM's office considered him a nuisance they were better off without, he didn't need to resign just because some policemen thought he ought to.

That's not what they are in trouble for.

Once again, you seem to be defending the indefensible.

[singlecoil]

Scuffers said:

singlecoil said:

OK then, on the balance of probabilities Mitchell failed to give a full account. So the policemen were right when they said his position was untenable.

Though actually it became untenable when it became clear that the PM's office considered him a nuisance they were better off without, he didn't need to resign just because some policemen thought he ought to.

That's not what they are in trouble for.

Once again, you seem to be defending the indefensible.

And doing very well too.

But really it's because you police haters irritate me and I love picking holes in your hate fest.

[ClaphamGT3]

Scuffers said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33854227

and it still rumbles on....

Millions of £ available to spend on this crap, yet no money for a children's charity.

Are these two of the three simpletons who turned up to the enquiry and made complete monkeys out of themselves?

[Red 4]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Are these two of the three simpletons who turned up to the enquiry and made complete monkeys out of themselves?

If you mean the "enquiry" made up of a dozen or so show-boating MPs and chaired by the one, the only Keith Vaz, then the answer to your question is yes.

[carinaman]

Aren't they the two that met with Andrew Mitchell MP in his constituency and then went outside and said stuff to the media that didn't match the recording made of the meeting?

I hope you're well Red 4.

[bitchstewie]

singlecoil said:

And doing very well too.

But really it's because you police haters irritate me and I love picking holes in your hate fest.

I'm not a police hater. I'm not convinced Mitchell has been entirely honest and the bloke is an idiot at best, but I think police lying is indefensible.

At least if enough of you don't trust your MP you get to vote them out.

[singlecoil]

bhstewie said:

singlecoil said:

And doing very well too.

But really it's because you police haters irritate me and I love picking holes in your hate fest.

I'm not a police hater. I'm not convinced Mitchell has been entirely honest and the bloke is an idiot at best, but I think police lying is indefensible.

At least if enough of you don't trust your MP you get to vote them out.

Perhaps you will get your wish and the police will all be sacked.

The problem then will be, st happens, who ya gonna call?

[carinaman]

Police being petty minded jobsworths allowed to use the tiniest of infractions to score a point is one of the few remaining perks of the job.

Hashtag cutshaveconsequences

[carinaman]

singlecoil said:

bhstewie said:

singlecoil said:

And doing very well too.

But really it's because you police haters irritate me and I love picking holes in your hate fest.

I'm not a police hater. I'm not convinced Mitchell has been entirely honest and the bloke is an idiot at best, but I think police lying is indefensible.

At least if enough of you don't trust your MP you get to vote them out.

Perhaps you will get your wish and the police will all be sacked.

The problem then will be, st happens, who ya gonna call?

singlecoil, you need to acquaint yourself with the College of Policing Code of Ethics.

It's not acceptable to use the job they do to excuse their bentness. That's like Commissioner Hogan-Howe on Radio 4's Today programme when discussing plebgate saying that the police have a difficult job, like the floods etc.

[bitchstewie]

singlecoil said:

bhstewie said:

singlecoil said:

And doing very well too.

But really it's because you police haters irritate me and I love picking holes in your hate fest.

I'm not a police hater. I'm not convinced Mitchell has been entirely honest and the bloke is an idiot at best, but I think police lying is indefensible.

At least if enough of you don't trust your MP you get to vote them out.

Perhaps you will get your wish and the police will all be sacked.

The problem then will be, st happens, who ya gonna call?

The police won't all be sacked because the vast majority are honest and do a job most of us wouldn't have the balls to do - but that isn't a free pass to make stuff up because you don't like someone.

[singlecoil]

carinaman said:

singlecoil, you need to acquaint yourself with the College of Policing Code of Ethics.

You need to acquaint yourself with the real world. Just because the police wouldn't let you join doesn't mean that every policeman is a very bad person.

[Red 4]

carinaman said:

Police being petty minded jobsworths allowed to use the tiniest of infractions to score a point is one of the few remaining perks of the job.

MPs being petty minded, foul-mouthed, full of their own importance, arrogant, lying idiots - all on the balance of probabilities, you understand - is one of the few remaining perks of the job ... until a judge rules you told porkies ...

I suspect the misconduct hearings for the fed reps will be a witch-hunt.

Nobody will come out of this well.

[ClaphamGT3]

Red 4 said:

carinaman said:

Police being petty minded jobsworths allowed to use the tiniest of infractions to score a point is one of the few remaining perks of the job.

MPs being petty minded, foul-mouthed, full of their own importance, arrogant, lying idiots - all on the balance of probabilities, you understand - is one of the few remaining perks of the job ... until a judge rules you told porkies ...

I suspect the misconduct hearings for the fed reps will be a witch-hunt.

Nobody will come out of this well.

No one denies that Mitchell's behaviour was wrong - even Mitchell - but the only people who set out to deliberately lie were a number of policemen, including the thre federation reps. I am surprised that it's taken this long for them to be disciplined.