Plebgate - An interesting new twist

Plebgate - An interesting new twist

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ClaphamGT3

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11,269 posts

242 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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In today's press

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9749367/P...

It will be interesting to see what is behind this.

Tea Pot One

1,842 posts

227 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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I believe personally that Mitchell is likely to have said what was alleged ... but if an officer leaked the report they are plain stupid ...

It would have been obvious to all the officers involved that this would be high profile and attract a lot of unwanted attention for them - so why make it up.

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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"You've not heard the last of this". Obviously not.

It would appear that Politically inspired arrests do not have to take notice of Pace code G.

XCP

16,875 posts

227 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
"You've not heard the last of this". Obviously not.

It would appear that Politically inspired arrests do not have to take notice of Pace code G.
kept in over a Saturday night as well. You would think they would need the space.

Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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This has the sense of a tit-for-tat. Or perhaps the higher ranks wanting to kowtow to their bosses.

If this is a member of the DPG then he must have known the risk he was taking. One would have thought it would be easy enough to cover your tracks. It's not as if he wouldn't know that it would be a big thing in the eyes of the press, the government and ACPO.

There is a history of police officers feeding the press with information regarding lack of proper response from their force. Operation countrymen received information from newspapers that they had felt impossible to print and the only possible source of this was disaffected police officers who were worried about corruption.

If found guilty that this is the chaps job.

IroningMan

10,154 posts

245 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
"You've not heard the last of this". Obviously not.

It would appear that Politically inspired arrests do not have to take notice of Pace code G.
Telegraph Report said:
The officer arrested was not on duty at the time of the incident in Downing Street.
So not the person at whom 'you've not heard the last of this' was aimed, then.

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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IroningMan said:
Elroy Blue said:
"You've not heard the last of this". Obviously not.

It would appear that Politically inspired arrests do not have to take notice of Pace code G.
Telegraph Report said:
The officer arrested was not on duty at the time of the incident in Downing Street.
So not the person at whom 'you've not heard the last of this' was aimed, then.
I didn't suggest it was. But Cam Jong Il will ensure there is no possible dissent from anybody.

Of course, if you're a Government Minister you are immunne from charges of Perverting the Course of Justice, Public Order and fraud.

It's the manner of this Officers arrest and subsequent treatment. We have had PACE Code G rammed down our throats lately to vastly reduce the number of arrests we make. You couldn't have a bigger abuse of that legislation than this.

XCP

16,875 posts

227 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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IroningMan said:
Elroy Blue said:
"You've not heard the last of this". Obviously not.

It would appear that Politically inspired arrests do not have to take notice of Pace code G.
Telegraph Report said:
The officer arrested was not on duty at the time of the incident in Downing Street.
So not the person at whom 'you've not heard the last of this' was aimed, then.
The net is widening it seems...

RtdRacer

1,274 posts

200 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
I didn't suggest it was. But Cam Jong Il will ensure there is no possible dissent from anybody.

Of course, if you're a Government Minister you are immunne from charges of Perverting the Course of Justice, Public Order and fraud.

It's the manner of this Officers arrest and subsequent treatment. We have had PACE Code G rammed down our throats lately to vastly reduce the number of arrests we make. You couldn't have a bigger abuse of that legislation than this.
How so? It is alleged that a police officer may have released information to the press he shouldn't have. He has been arrested and the wheels of justice set into motion to make him answer that case.

1) How is this anything to do with Cameron?
2) How is this anything to do with GOvernment ministers and immunity from PCoJ?
3) How is this abuse of legislation?

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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You don't know what code G is do you.

To suggest there is no Political connection to this is laughable.

And for double standards:
In November 2008, the current police minister, Damian Green MP, was arrested and held by the Met for 9 hours on suspicion of “conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office” and “aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct in a public office”.

What reason did the CPS give for dropping the case?

Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer said that he had considered the “freedom of the press to publish information and ideas on matters of public interest”. He said the information leaked was not secret information or information affecting national security.

Ex-British Transport Police chief Ian Johnston was asked by the Met to review the investigation. His report concluded that Mr Green’s arrest was “not proportionate”, that the leaks resulted only in “embarrassment” for ministers and that they were not “likely to undermine government’s effectiveness”.

It will be interesting to see if Keir Starmer feels the same about this case. Starmer is infamous in police circles for his strategy over PC Simon Harwood. “Not enough evidence to charge, Oh wait… there is, Oh wait, he has been acquitted…”

Edited by Elroy Blue on Monday 17th December 11:12

bitchstewie

50,767 posts

209 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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It does seem wrong when you have a serving officer leaking information because it makes a good news headline.

Public interest vs. interesting to the public is a fine line IMO.

ClaphamGT3

Original Poster:

11,269 posts

242 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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There is very little information on this. It would be wiser to observe than to pontificate

XCP

16,875 posts

227 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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ClaphamGT3 said:
There is very little information on this. It would be wiser to observe than to pontificate
I think this is another case where there must be more to it than meets the eye.

rewc

2,187 posts

232 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
You don't know what code G is do you.

To suggest there is no Political connection to this is laughable.

And for double standards:
In November 2008, the current police minister, Damian Green MP, was arrested and held by the Met for 9 hours on suspicion of “conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office” and “aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct in a public office”.

What reason did the CPS give for dropping the case?

Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer said that he had considered the “freedom of the press to publish information and ideas on matters of public interest”. He said the information leaked was not secret information or information affecting national security.

Ex-British Transport Police chief Ian Johnston was asked by the Met to review the investigation. His report concluded that Mr Green’s arrest was “not proportionate”, that the leaks resulted only in “embarrassment” for ministers and that they were not “likely to undermine government’s effectiveness”.

It will be interesting to see if Keir Starmer feels the same about this case. Starmer is infamous in police circles for his strategy over PC Simon Harwood. “Not enough evidence to charge, Oh wait… there is, Oh wait, he has been acquitted…”

Edited by Elroy Blue on Monday 17th December 11:12
Of course Plebgate is political, the Police Federation made sure of that.

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Nothing to do with the actions of an arrogant Gov Minister then.

Tea Pot One

1,842 posts

227 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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rewc said:
Of course Plebgate is political, the Police Federation made sure of that.
A politician effectively accused officers of lying ... so they challenged that - quite correctly.

pits

6,423 posts

189 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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I have no interest in the story itself, but Plebgate? Seriously? Was he trapped in a gate when this happened, or is it just a moronic twist on Watergate? I thought the world was past adding 'gate to stuff I thought it was reserved for the prize bellends working in the media.

rewc

2,187 posts

232 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
Nothing to do with the actions of an arrogant Gov Minister then.
Of course it is but the Police had the option to charge him. The leaking by the Police of officers logbook entries is a different matter. Strange how in the case of the death of Mr Tomlinson the notebook entries of the 10 or so officers who were present during the assault were not leaked.

XCP

16,875 posts

227 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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pits said:
I have no interest in the story itself, but Plebgate? Seriously? Was he trapped in a gate when this happened, or is it just a moronic twist on Watergate? I thought the world was past adding 'gate to stuff I thought it was reserved for the prize bellends working in the media.
The story revolves around the opening ( or not)of a gate.

bitchstewie

50,767 posts

209 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
Nothing to do with the actions of an arrogant Gov Minister then.
At what point is leaking of the contents of a pocket book, something which I'm guessing is potentially evidence if it goes to trial, acceptable in your opinion?