Driver panicked when spotted camera van
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Talk about having a panick when you spot a camera van, this porsche driver nearly binned it! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-...
Perhaps he was being chased by the same aliens as this driver
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-2095264...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-2095264...
OK, if the 113MPH reading is accurate, then yeah, it's over the top.
However, I would argue that passing that number of closely packed learner riders as quickly as possible, given he has a suitibly powered car to get past them all in one move, is probably better than them getting spooked by having a queue of cars building up behind them.
Also, isnt the cross of the speed camera meant to be on a virtical point on the car in order for the reading to be accurate? It was all over the place, and at one point was pointing at the road, and still reading over 30MPH.
However, I would argue that passing that number of closely packed learner riders as quickly as possible, given he has a suitibly powered car to get past them all in one move, is probably better than them getting spooked by having a queue of cars building up behind them.
Also, isnt the cross of the speed camera meant to be on a virtical point on the car in order for the reading to be accurate? It was all over the place, and at one point was pointing at the road, and still reading over 30MPH.
mark944gold said:
To me the overtake looked safe, car would have got to that speed quickly, it was the camera van and the reaction to it that caused the problem. Looked like the bikes had to brake as well due to the Porsche slowing down so rapidly.
Finally got the vid working.Didnt look that bad to me either, long line of bikes with no gap, not really much alternative than to gun it a bit. Road was straight nothing coming the other way.
Notice he wasn't done for reckless driving, it was careless and speeding.
But >100mph always likely to get you a ban.
Similar thread running here http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
ant leigh said:
long line of bikes with no gap, not really much alternative than to gun it a bit.
Apart from the alternative of not attempting the overtake you mean? Difficult to say but the riders don't look that much longer than an HGV. If a Porsche can't overtake an HGV and bring its speed down back down again without losing control then that sounds pretty careless to me. Also note that he checked the road ahead was clear so well that he failed to spot the camera van - even if it were some way off, at 113MPH he needs to be looking that far ahead: it could have been a van parked in a layby about to pull out, which (a) might not look left and (b) might not realise the approaching car is doing 113MPH. the overtake lookes fine to me, open road, no side roads, plenty of space, left room for other road users etc.........
the only problem was thetax speed camera. if that hadn't of been there, he would have slowed down naturally.
i don't agree with speed limits (even as a RoSPA gold holder myself), I know of many people who are unsafe within the speed limit.
the only problem was the
i don't agree with speed limits (even as a RoSPA gold holder myself), I know of many people who are unsafe within the speed limit.
Fazt said:
the overtake lookes fine to me, open road, no side roads, plenty of space, left room for other road users etc.........
the only problem was thetax speed camera. if that hadn't of been there, he would have slowed down naturally.
i don't agree with speed limits (even as a RoSPA gold holder myself), I know of many people who are unsafe within the speed limit.
Agree. Just to add that revenue cameras are usually well hidden and anyway a good driver will be looking for genuine hazards rather than revenue vans, so will only see the latter much later - which of course is why those caught exceeding limits are mainly in the group which has fewest accidents - they are judging real hazards properly.the only problem was the
i don't agree with speed limits (even as a RoSPA gold holder myself), I know of many people who are unsafe within the speed limit.
putting lives at risk 
The camera van was responsible for the panic braking.
As for people suggesting that he should have seen the camera van, they are usually positioned so that it is too late by the time you see them, hence the above scenario. If they were so easy to see then there wouldn't be thousands of motorist getting points everyday.
The camera van was responsible for the panic braking.
As for people suggesting that he should have seen the camera van, they are usually positioned so that it is too late by the time you see them, hence the above scenario. If they were so easy to see then there wouldn't be thousands of motorist getting points everyday.
I'll reserve judgement on the safety of the overtake without a view in the direction of travel. If the driver knows he needs grossly excessive speed to complete the overtake, knows that speed cameras exist and knows that if he sees one after committing to the overtake he will have to brake in that manner then I would suggest he should not commit himself to the overtake in the first place.
MrTrilby said:
ant leigh said:
long line of bikes with no gap, not really much alternative than to gun it a bit.
Apart from the alternative of not attempting the overtake you mean? Difficult to say but the riders don't look that much longer than an HGV. If a Porsche can't overtake an HGV and bring its speed down back down again without losing control then that sounds pretty careless to me. Also note that he checked the road ahead was clear so well that he failed to spot the camera van - even if it were some way off, at 113MPH he needs to be looking that far ahead: it could have been a van parked in a layby about to pull out, which (a) might not look left and (b) might not realise the approaching car is doing 113MPH. This spot here?
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=a631&hl=en&...
Two turnings for a parking and rest area (probably in use as people are wandering about) that you can't see in the footage which he likely passed on the wrong side of the road.
A bit of a dodgy move if you ask me, particularly considering he's passing a load of learner bikers that could turn right into one of them without any warning.
Also FWIW unless the Camera Van was sited right in the bushes then it didn't seem like a terrible location; catching people coming off of a blind corner and passing a rest area in a sensible limit for the road.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=a631&hl=en&...
Two turnings for a parking and rest area (probably in use as people are wandering about) that you can't see in the footage which he likely passed on the wrong side of the road.
A bit of a dodgy move if you ask me, particularly considering he's passing a load of learner bikers that could turn right into one of them without any warning.
Also FWIW unless the Camera Van was sited right in the bushes then it didn't seem like a terrible location; catching people coming off of a blind corner and passing a rest area in a sensible limit for the road.
Edited by The Wookie on Wednesday 9th January 13:06
Although I dont agree with the 113mph, I do agree with overtaking as quickly as suitably possible.
Nodoubt a car like that can do it in a blink of an eye as shown, but I also think there is a bigger issue that needs to be resolved. I dont mean to sound judgemental but why is there a large group of motorcyclists and if they are being taught to ride then there shouldnt be so many of them.
Nodoubt a car like that can do it in a blink of an eye as shown, but I also think there is a bigger issue that needs to be resolved. I dont mean to sound judgemental but why is there a large group of motorcyclists and if they are being taught to ride then there shouldnt be so many of them.
Same old same old.
If he had crashed, if the "Learner riders" had turned right, if the pottential pedestrians has jumped in the road, If If If.
Well none of these "Ifs" happened.
He overtook, was going a bit fast and got done for speeding. The scamera van added to all the "If's" by being an extra risk to an "If" happening.
No wonder this country is where it is. Everybody wants to be wrapped in cotton wool and drive eveywhere at 40.
The spineless will inherit the Earth (what's left of it)
Ex77
If he had crashed, if the "Learner riders" had turned right, if the pottential pedestrians has jumped in the road, If If If.
Well none of these "Ifs" happened.
He overtook, was going a bit fast and got done for speeding. The scamera van added to all the "If's" by being an extra risk to an "If" happening.
No wonder this country is where it is. Everybody wants to be wrapped in cotton wool and drive eveywhere at 40.
The spineless will inherit the Earth (what's left of it)
Ex77
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