Speeding - how many tickets can you get in one day??
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Nigel Worc's said:
I thought it was a tad harsh, especially for breadvan, I was taught there weren't any stupid questions, only stupid answers.
The op asked politely enough, he isn't claiming it is fact,he isn't claiming to be a lawyer, on a discussion forum he's asking a question !
You're right,there are no stupid questions, there are a lot of inquisitive idiots though. The op asked politely enough, he isn't claiming it is fact,he isn't claiming to be a lawyer, on a discussion forum he's asking a question !
speedking31 said:
If you passed through 2 cameras without slowing down in between?
At each camera there would be a separate detection so 2 penalties could be issued.speedking31 said:
Otherwise PC Speedgun could ping you 4 times as you approached and you could be banned for effectively one offence
Here you describe one detection device and witness making a measurement very close together perhaps only seconds. One offence and penalty.If the detections were minutes apart with the driver passing the same point repeatedly then the officer may decide to issue separate penalties, one for each.
The theme I am developing is it depends upon the circumstances.
If you set off from Glasgow to London and drive constantly at 90mph down the M74, M6 and M1 then you could be the recipient of dozens of tickets.
pitmansboots said:
If you set off from Glasgow to London and drive constantly at 90mph down the M74, M6 and M1 then you could be the recipient of dozens of tickets.
Doubt it, you'd only be able to keep up the average in the very early hours of the morning when scum like you are tucked up in their beds.bonesX said:
I thought there was some rule only one offence.
If there are multiple, then the worst is taken...true, or am I just imagining it?
Sometimes on one stop multiple offences are detected and the worst processed with a penalty, depending upon the offences you may get one penalty or many.If there are multiple, then the worst is taken...true, or am I just imagining it?
So no, there is no rule as you describe.
If you had been caught by a real live policeman and given a stern talking to at the side of the road, your reckless speeding ways may have changed and you would have driven on more carefully, but if you didn't you would have no cause to complain.
However now we just have automated enforcement for this most heinous of crimes. Trouble is the speed limits are often reduced just because enough people (who bought houses next to roads) complained. What about those gantry cameras on motorways? The flow of traffic is above the limit, so what is the trigger speed? So it is quite possible to be driving a long with the flow, or just a bit faster but not taking the piss and find a few days later you are banned from driving. Unless, you don;t register your car, in which case just crack on.
However now we just have automated enforcement for this most heinous of crimes. Trouble is the speed limits are often reduced just because enough people (who bought houses next to roads) complained. What about those gantry cameras on motorways? The flow of traffic is above the limit, so what is the trigger speed? So it is quite possible to be driving a long with the flow, or just a bit faster but not taking the piss and find a few days later you are banned from driving. Unless, you don;t register your car, in which case just crack on.
markomah said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I thought it was a tad harsh, especially for breadvan, I was taught there weren't any stupid questions, only stupid answers.
The op asked politely enough, he isn't claiming it is fact,he isn't claiming to be a lawyer, on a discussion forum he's asking a question !
Well, by my use of the word 'rant', I thought I made it clear that I acknowledged that Breadvan72's post was choleric, opinionated and potentially disproportionate.The op asked politely enough, he isn't claiming it is fact,he isn't claiming to be a lawyer, on a discussion forum he's asking a question !
Personally, I found it a very amusing and apposite demonstration of a reductio ad absurdum argument and (very possibly because I've had a horrible head cold all week, and self-medicated with liberal hot whiskies this evening) it made me laugh out loud.
For the avoidance of doubt, my comment wasn't intended to belittle the OP.
I add also that all have done well and all shall have prizes.
I do not subscribe to the notion that there is no such thing as a stupid question. Nor do I subscribe to the notion that anyone (me included) has the right not to be teased, ribbed, or offended (it so happens that it is impossible to offend me, but that is by the by). My deliberately rebarbative post was an attempt to encourage the OP to apply some thought to a proposition. You do not need to be a lawyer to understand that laws exist to achieve societal aims. There could be no conceivable societal aim that would allow a person who commits an offence a liberty to commit the same offence later that same day.
A family motorbike riding friend on getting his new large capacity jap superbike decided to visit back home to Newcastle ,He was stationed in west london and off he went for the weekend, on his return he was asked how his weekend went and replied that he would have to sell the bike.When asked why he informed us that he would not have his licence for much longer as on the way up he had been done for speeding in every county from London to Newcastle !
Devil2575 said:
Einion Yrth said:
Doubt it, you'd only be able to keep up the average in the very early hours of the morning when scum like you are tucked up in their beds.
Do speed cameras sleep?Breadvan72 said:
Where TF do people get this stuff from? Yes, it is an ancient and well respected rule of the law that if you commit any offence first thing in the morning, you can commit the same offence all day with impunity. This applies to everything from careless parking to multiple rape-murder. As soon as it strikes midnight, everything turns into a pumpkin, and you have to start again. Really, OP, just think about your proposition for half a nano second, will you? In what society would such a rule exist? What policy could it serve? If something sounds stupid and far fetched, it usually is.
It's certainly helpful when you have several people to kill in one day. However one has to be organised so as to get them all done before the witching hour............Breadvan72 said:
My auld dad, a right stroppy Dubliner, always nags me to get admitted at King's Inns, but I am now too old and drunk.
The Benchers of the Honourable Society would be truly appalled at the notion that youth and sobriety are necessary, or indeed desirable, for admission to the Bar of Ireland...I'm not sure if this is really of any help.
In 2005 I was proceeding, half asleep, out of Bournemouth on the A338. Apart from generally paying more attention I really should have been looking out for cameras as B is infested with them.
A week later I received 2 letters, both SP30s in the 50 limit, one at 62 mph and one at 63 - the two fixed camera sites turn out to be within a mile of each other.
A solicitor friend of mine helped me out - he drafted a letter for me which stated that the 2 offences should be considered one and the same, and he also recommended that I include a cheque for 60 quid payable as per the scamera partnerships instructions.
In the process, one of the FPNs simply disappeared in correspondence, they took the money and my license was credited with 3 points. Not sure what the lesson is here really.
In 2005 I was proceeding, half asleep, out of Bournemouth on the A338. Apart from generally paying more attention I really should have been looking out for cameras as B is infested with them.
A week later I received 2 letters, both SP30s in the 50 limit, one at 62 mph and one at 63 - the two fixed camera sites turn out to be within a mile of each other.
A solicitor friend of mine helped me out - he drafted a letter for me which stated that the 2 offences should be considered one and the same, and he also recommended that I include a cheque for 60 quid payable as per the scamera partnerships instructions.
In the process, one of the FPNs simply disappeared in correspondence, they took the money and my license was credited with 3 points. Not sure what the lesson is here really.
markomah said:
Breadvan72 said:
My auld dad, a right stroppy Dubliner, always nags me to get admitted at King's Inns, but I am now too old and drunk.
The Benchers of the Honourable Society would be truly appalled at the notion that youth and sobriety are necessary, or indeed desirable, for admission to the Bar of Ireland...Heard a tale years ago about a mobile camera being parked on a steep hill just outside Mumbles near Swansea.
Chap went through it four times one day, got zapped going down the hill, then back up, and did the same thing later that day.
IIRC, 4 lots of SP30, 3 points for each and ban all in one day.
This was related to me in a pub some years back, so cannot confirm the veracity of the tale. Seems perfectly feasible though.
Chap went through it four times one day, got zapped going down the hill, then back up, and did the same thing later that day.
IIRC, 4 lots of SP30, 3 points for each and ban all in one day.
This was related to me in a pub some years back, so cannot confirm the veracity of the tale. Seems perfectly feasible though.
Issi said:
Heard a tale years ago about a mobile camera being parked on a steep hill just outside Mumbles near Swansea.
Chap went through it four times one day, got zapped going down the hill, then back up, and did the same thing later that day.
IIRC, 4 lots of SP30, 3 points for each and ban all in one day.
This was related to me in a pub some years back, so cannot confirm the veracity of the tale. Seems perfectly feasible though.
The same thing happened here a few years ago, even made the front page of the local paper (nothing very exciting happens around these parts). New speed camera appeared during the week, come the weekend a woman was house clearing for a relative, back and forward to the tip - think she got done 8 or 9 times in the same day.Chap went through it four times one day, got zapped going down the hill, then back up, and did the same thing later that day.
IIRC, 4 lots of SP30, 3 points for each and ban all in one day.
This was related to me in a pub some years back, so cannot confirm the veracity of the tale. Seems perfectly feasible though.
Breadvan72 said:
Where TF do people get this stuff from? Yes, it is an ancient and well respected rule of the law that if you commit any offence first thing in the morning, you can commit the same offence all day with impunity. This applies to everything from careless parking to multiple rape-murder. As soon as it strikes midnight, everything turns into a pumpkin, and you have to start again. Really, OP, just think about your proposition for half a nano second, will you? In what society would such a rule exist? What policy could it serve? If something sounds stupid and far fetched, it usually is.
We sort of already do with our most serious crimes (except you don't have to limit your crime spree to a single day!):4x speeding offence = 4 x £60 fine + 4 x 3 points
4x murder = 4 x life imprisonment
If I'd already murdered somebody I'd be far more likely to kill again as basically the same punishment hangs over me anyway, whereas if I got a speeding ticket I'd like slow down in future. No way to solve the problem, but it definitely exists.
Breadvan72 said:
Where TF do people get this stuff from? Yes, it is an ancient and well respected rule of the law that if you commit any offence first thing in the morning, you can commit the same offence all day with impunity. This applies to everything from careless parking to multiple rape-murder. As soon as it strikes midnight, everything turns into a pumpkin, and you have to start again. Really, OP, just think about your proposition for half a nano second, will you? In what society would such a rule exist? What policy could it serve? If something sounds stupid and far fetched, it usually is.
I suspect (hope!) that the OP was referring to getting 4+ tugs whilst doing a steady speed (cruise control?) along a given stretch of road - surely one could argue then that that is a single offence and not a string of separate one as his speed has remained constant 9of course if you're doing 95 through one, 85 the next, 99 the one after etc I'd imagine less of a defence <grin>)Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff