Staff stealing takings ... 2 years @ £100 per day

Staff stealing takings ... 2 years @ £100 per day

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HereBeMonsters

14,180 posts

183 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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hora said:
Being paid to keep fit? Beats sitting on a till checkout or static on a food production line - if thats the other option. I don't see the problem.
Looks pretty much like any other warehouse picking and packing job I've ever seen. But possibly in slightly better conditions.

RSoovy4

35,829 posts

272 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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RtdRacer said:
Nightmare said:
Gareth79 said:
Ah hence the security described in this article about a new warehouse:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286227/Am...
fascinating article....the DM as usual trying its level best to make out that 'we want our employees to work hard' is a bad thing....

This is why I wouldn't even wipe my arse with that rag. Amazon do work people hard, but they pay well once you're onboard, and you have a genuine chance to move up the ladder. I have a Polish mate who's now a level 6 manager (about £50-80K including RSUs) who started as a shelf stacked, worked hard, came up with some good ideas and was pulled upwards. Amazon hire and promote purely on merit.

It's so damnably British - it is so obvious they're trying to find a story about what bds big companies are - "How dare you offer us these jobs at minimum wage, and then promote us if we perform well? You should pay me £50K per year, and be grateful if I even turn up..."

And "albeit as their managers hovered nervously in the background..." what a load of utter tosh. Like the managers would follow them to the pub.

RR

PS I must declare an interest - I worked for Amazon until about 2 years ago. INcredibly hard work, very interesting, very well managed, well paid - good job all in all.
Good posting.

We work people hard, but we've got people here on £80k a year who started five years ago in the post room. They worked hard and diligently, and were given a chance, which they seized with both hands.


prand

5,916 posts

197 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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RtdRacer said:
Amazon do work people hard, but they pay well once you're onboard, and you have a genuine chance to move up the ladder.
I think the key words above are "once you're onboard". I remember reading this article and one of areas I felt sympathy for the staff over was that a very large proportion of the warehouse workers in the new site in Rugely are agency staff brought in through Randstad.

Supposedly this was a temporary measure to employ a large workforce quickly. These people are on a promise of a permanent job (and consequently the higher wages, extra benefits, opportunities, job security etc), but nothing permanent appears and they are let go on the most spurious (so these people say) of reasons.

jas xjr

11,309 posts

240 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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FiF said:
Marks and Sparks opening words to staff in that section of induction is along the lines of "No matter what scheme you've thought up, however clever you are, someone will have tried it before you."

That can't be true all the time but it gets close.
i know of young chap that had a scam going at M+S . he was using stolen credit cards to pay for goods with an accomplice . christmas job i think.

FiF

44,144 posts

252 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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Re people being let go on the most spurious of reasons. One distribution centre employs agency workers to pick and pack orders from a constantly moving conveyor. Without going into detail it's very physical.

Every month they select the bottom 25% and the agency is told not to send them again.

These workers are running flat out for the entire shift. Most of those in the bottom 25% would be considered extremely hard workers in many firms.

liner33

10,696 posts

203 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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Company in wanting to retain the best workers shocker

FiF

44,144 posts

252 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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liner33 said:
Company in wanting to retain the best workers shocker
That's the easy one liner but imagine being in the top 10% month after month after month, twisted knee, say, that slows you down for a week then back on the pace. Still bottom 25% and you're history. Bit brutal. Do you have to deal with that on your job?

RtdRacer

1,274 posts

202 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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FiF said:
liner33 said:
Company in wanting to retain the best workers shocker
That's the easy one liner but imagine being in the top 10% month after month after month, twisted knee, say, that slows you down for a week then back on the pace. Still bottom 25% and you're history. Bit brutal. Do you have to deal with that on your job?
Yes. I was bottom 10% at my level for 4 weeks in a row, then had a row with a director and told her to ps off. Got a payrise. :-) Anyway, back to the plot:

Nope - that's not how it works. If you're consistently in the top 10% for 3 months, you will almost certainly be offered a permanent contract.

And they don't get rid of the bottom 25% each month - think of the turnover! Do you really want to train up that much of your workforce each month?

No - they will get rid of consistently underperforming staff, but if all of them are on target, then super - why bottom grade and risk getting underperformers.

I speak as someone with first hand knowledge, not 'I've heard from a mate, who heard from someone who once bought a memory card from AMazon...'

FiF

44,144 posts

252 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Sorry Rtd Racer but heard first hand from the manager of the place as in there to modify their systems. They had suffered aa workplace accident. But then anonymous twonks on t'Internet always know better and it could just have been the manager acting all Billy Big Balls.

It was not Amazon btw.

Rollcage

11,327 posts

193 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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It doesn't sound like a very viable method of staffing a business, however or whoever does it.

To wilfully inflict 25% per month staff turnover on a business is just mental, no matter what job they do.

Grenoble

50,613 posts

156 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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It's an extreme version of the GE model, implemented by someone who thinks they are a management genius but missed the point of the approach and the outcomes it aimed for.

FiF

44,144 posts

252 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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Essentially I agree with the above, it's completely crackers no matter which way you look at it, logistical or moral. Just doesn't make sense.

Whatever the detail that was left out of what he said one couldn't deny that the staff were running up and down their work stations as if their lives depended upon it. The atmosphere was intense and unpleasant.

RtdRacer

1,274 posts

202 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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FiF said:
Sorry Rtd Racer but heard first hand from the manager of the place as in there to modify their systems. They had suffered aa workplace accident. But then anonymous twonks on t'Internet always know better and it could just have been the manager acting all Billy Big Balls.

It was not Amazon btw.
Sorry, I thought it was AMazon you were referring to. I would not be surprised if other companies did stuff like that however...

FiF

44,144 posts

252 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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RtdRacer said:
Sorry, I thought it was AMazon you were referring to. I would not be surprised if other companies did stuff like that however...
No problem at all. beer

For obvious reasons tried to avoid name and shame.

Off topic, there are quite a few extremely fit, in every sense of the phrase, Polish females working there. :wibble: