Staff stealing takings ... 2 years @ £100 per day
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A similar situation here, although a smaller figure involved.
http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/s/2131299_aviat...
http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/s/2131299_aviat...
shouldbworking said:
ps. if you are a mug, please send me 70 grand and I will send you back 1.
I really feel for the shop owner, it happens ALL the time whenever you work in a cash business. Running a business can be all consuming and not keeping on top of everything can easily happen. That said, cash should be the thing you prioritise above anything. But still, you take it personally, because they have, really, taken cash out of your pockets. To them, though, it's a victim-less crime. Often they're people you like too.
We had a few instances of cash going missing - even (70?) being taken out of a charity collection box. The person in question left just as we were implementing controls designed to catch the culprit. The losses stopped immediately, coincidentally. Same thing happened to one of our bar staff. We introduced a new way of doing things that made it much, much harder to steal cash and she resigned within hours!
That's a staggering amount of money to go missing unnoticed. It also raises the question of what the hell she was doing with it? Drugs? Flash holidays?
The fact that the father has gone some way towards making amends suggests at least some sort of decency. However small it may seem remember he might have no idea of the scale of her theft, nor the means to meaningfully make amends.
I'd hesitate to involve the police because that seems to mean everyone loses, and it's highly unlikely that your friend will get anything meaningful back.
Work out a reasonable estimate of what is lost then reassess.
The fact that the father has gone some way towards making amends suggests at least some sort of decency. However small it may seem remember he might have no idea of the scale of her theft, nor the means to meaningfully make amends.
I'd hesitate to involve the police because that seems to mean everyone loses, and it's highly unlikely that your friend will get anything meaningful back.
Work out a reasonable estimate of what is lost then reassess.
AJS- said:
That's a staggering amount of money to go missing unnoticed. It also raises the question of what the hell she was doing with it? Drugs? Flash holidays?
The fact that the father has gone some way towards making amends suggests at least some sort of decency. However small it may seem remember he might have no idea of the scale of her theft, nor the means to meaningfully make amends.
I'd hesitate to involve the police because that seems to mean everyone loses, and it's highly unlikely that your friend will get anything meaningful back.
Work out a reasonable estimate of what is lost then reassess.
Or the father knew what was going on, 69k up..The fact that the father has gone some way towards making amends suggests at least some sort of decency. However small it may seem remember he might have no idea of the scale of her theft, nor the means to meaningfully make amends.
I'd hesitate to involve the police because that seems to mean everyone loses, and it's highly unlikely that your friend will get anything meaningful back.
Work out a reasonable estimate of what is lost then reassess.
premio said:
Same happened to my friend who owns a gym. The office lady was paying the cash in to the bank. She would take the days or weeks takings to the bank, and would only pay in the cheques, then the cashier would stamp the paying in book. She then wrote in the cash amount afterwards herself so it looked like the bank had stamped the lot, and pocketed the cash. She took 7k over about 18 months.
That would only work if the office lady failed to put a figure in the total box on the paying in slip. If I inadvertently do the same (has happened a few times over the years when I have been in a rush), the bank cashier always fills it in before stamping the stub. In which case the office lady would have to alter the total box on every paying in slip in the book. This would be highly suspicious and would surely be picked up unless her employer never looked at the records. How did the office lady conceal the mismatch with the bank statements? Bank account reconciliation is the most basic of tasks in any business. Your friend was asleep at the wheel I'm afraid. Also, if it happened over a period of 18 months how come his/her accountant didn't spot it at the year end? 
I'll keep the thread updated - I don;t know when I will see her next, but when I saw her yesterday I kinda think she was really in two minds about it. I think the anger of betrayal would drive her to contact the police, but part of me also thinks that she won't.
I know it's a lot of money and this might sound quite ridiculous, but I do get the feeling she won't want her to get a criminal record. Ummm. Logic says go straight to the police, emotive part of her thinks maybe not. We'll see.
I know it's a lot of money and this might sound quite ridiculous, but I do get the feeling she won't want her to get a criminal record. Ummm. Logic says go straight to the police, emotive part of her thinks maybe not. We'll see.
I know somebody that got caught doing a similar thing (although I'm going back about 25 years). They (the accountants) simply worked out how much in total the shop had lost in the time she had been working there. She got done for any & all of the shops losses - which I presume included book keeping errors, short deliveries, shop lifting, etc, etc.
She couldn't prove what she hadn't taken from the shops total losses and got done for the lot.
She got 6 months in a womens open prison
She couldn't prove what she hadn't taken from the shops total losses and got done for the lot.
She got 6 months in a womens open prison
drivin_me_nuts said:
sleep envy said:
Amy I ask how she found out?
CCTV.Edit: I'm unfamiliar with the use of a till, but she said to me that she has in effect been pocketing the cash that hasn't been put through the till (she also mentioned something about resetting the till and the float.. but like I said I have no idea how or what is involved in doing that)
Customer buys 15 worth of things. You do everything right for the customer (i.e. tell him right total, give him right change) but put it through till as 10. Keep mental note during the day. When the 'up' value gets to a nice round figure, take it out the till.
The till is then correct, the only conflict being stock take. However, how many small business owners know to the penny what they should have? so many have stock that's sat for years etc.
Edited by TonyHetherington on Monday 25th March 16:11
Red Devil said:
That would only work if the office lady failed to put a figure in the total box on the paying in slip. If I inadvertently do the same (has happened a few times over the years when I have been in a rush), the bank cashier always fills it in before stamping the stub. In which case the office lady would have to alter the total box on every paying in slip in the book. This would be highly suspicious and would surely be picked up unless her employer never looked at the records. How did the office lady conceal the mismatch with the bank statements? Bank account reconciliation is the most basic of tasks in any business. Your friend was asleep at the wheel I'm afraid. Also, if it happened over a period of 18 months how come his/her accountant didn't spot it at the year end?
I have absolutely no idea, I don't work there. I think it was the accountant that picked it up, I'm not sure.http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Fraudster-Helen-Ha...
As her employee bought any nice stuff with the money that could be bagged on the cheap from a police auction website? Second foot shoes don't appeal to me and I'd find driving in heels like that slightly problematic.
I'm not sure if I am being unduly cynical thinking this, but not going to the police could make some wonder if the employer has something to hide.
The cheque would seem to be an admission of guilt.
As her employee bought any nice stuff with the money that could be bagged on the cheap from a police auction website? Second foot shoes don't appeal to me and I'd find driving in heels like that slightly problematic.
I'm not sure if I am being unduly cynical thinking this, but not going to the police could make some wonder if the employer has something to hide.
The cheque would seem to be an admission of guilt.
Well, I just went and had a chat with the other lady who co-owns the shop..
Seems that she has been taking money from the shop for the last two years and every shift she has worked shows till readings of half the other staff's nights. The accountant estimates that the amount stolen is around, but not less than the 50k mark.
Seemingly the lass' favourite part time is coke as demonstrated by the friendface pages.
She has sent several texts to the shop owner admitting all that she has done.
It all came about simply because the stock items did not match the amounts going through the till and every day she would Z the till and ring in differing amounts.
The shop owners had to take a recent loan to keep the shop going.
I shall say no more for now regarding the facts, but crikey, what a mess.
Seems that she has been taking money from the shop for the last two years and every shift she has worked shows till readings of half the other staff's nights. The accountant estimates that the amount stolen is around, but not less than the 50k mark.
Seemingly the lass' favourite part time is coke as demonstrated by the friendface pages.
She has sent several texts to the shop owner admitting all that she has done.
It all came about simply because the stock items did not match the amounts going through the till and every day she would Z the till and ring in differing amounts.
The shop owners had to take a recent loan to keep the shop going.
I shall say no more for now regarding the facts, but crikey, what a mess.
I'm no expert but I think the courts take a very dim view of theft from an employer, I expect she'll receive a considerablt jail sentance if what you're saying is correct (and probably deserves it).
Remember reading in Dave Whelan's autobiography about the trouble he had and all super markets have with employee theft, it's a huge problem when compared to what they lose to shoplifting, it's why the self serve tills make so much sense and actually lessen the loss through theft to supermarkets.
Remember reading in Dave Whelan's autobiography about the trouble he had and all super markets have with employee theft, it's a huge problem when compared to what they lose to shoplifting, it's why the self serve tills make so much sense and actually lessen the loss through theft to supermarkets.
No winners are there? Possibly the Coke and cutting agent peddlers? She needs to go to jail IMO.
Repeat offending isn't uncommon especially if "give another chance" a women at my mums work was found to be stealing money by matching their fees to the royal mail and transferring it into her own account. It was picked upon by my mum who realised that they don't do a bank transfer to royal mail as its direct debit.
It transpired that she had done the same thing at a previous employment and had paid them a significant amount back so they didn't contact the police.
Her boss called around all her previous employers as she will most likely have been doing the same there but not been caught. It was a very big mess.
Repeat offending isn't uncommon especially if "give another chance" a women at my mums work was found to be stealing money by matching their fees to the royal mail and transferring it into her own account. It was picked upon by my mum who realised that they don't do a bank transfer to royal mail as its direct debit.
It transpired that she had done the same thing at a previous employment and had paid them a significant amount back so they didn't contact the police.
Her boss called around all her previous employers as she will most likely have been doing the same there but not been caught. It was a very big mess.
Someone I knew took a similar amount (50k and c.40 of booze and fags) from a well known supermarket chain he was managing. They got back a very large portion of the cash but none of the goods. His end result was 18 months, served half and spent the millenium inside.
You MUST go to the Police unless the girl or her father are realistically going to cough up 50k. If not then it's cell time for this girl.
You MUST go to the Police unless the girl or her father are realistically going to cough up 50k. If not then it's cell time for this girl.
R11ysf said:
Someone I knew took a similar amount (50k and c.40 of booze and fags) from a well known supermarket chain he was managing. They got back a very large portion of the cash but none of the goods. His end result was 18 months, served half and spent the millenium inside.
You MUST go to the Police unless the girl or her father are realistically going to cough up 50k. If not then it's cell time for this girl.
Yep.You MUST go to the Police unless the girl or her father are realistically going to cough up 50k. If not then it's cell time for this girl.
1000? CHEEKY C TS. Tell them to poke it.
I'm a bit wary of the reoffender line and the notion that leopards can't change their spots.
Dog Bounty Hunter on whatever Freeview channel it was on yesterday.
How do you filter out smears and false accusations, 'there's no snoke without fire' etc., see the Andrew Mitchell plebgate campaign and the Hillsborough disgrace for example.
The speeding police motorcyclist in the North East being deemed in court to be a 'serial speeder'. I think a good proprtion of the population may well be 'serial speeders'.
It's better to work on the material in hand, not hearsay, spidey sense and voodoo.
Dog Bounty Hunter on whatever Freeview channel it was on yesterday.
How do you filter out smears and false accusations, 'there's no snoke without fire' etc., see the Andrew Mitchell plebgate campaign and the Hillsborough disgrace for example.
The speeding police motorcyclist in the North East being deemed in court to be a 'serial speeder'. I think a good proprtion of the population may well be 'serial speeders'.
It's better to work on the material in hand, not hearsay, spidey sense and voodoo.
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