Staff stealing takings ... 2 years @ £100 per day

[RSoovy4]

drivin_me_nuts said:

Well, I just went and had a chat with the other lady who co-owns the shop..

Seems that she has been taking money from the shop for the last two years and every shift she has worked shows till readings of half the other staff's nights. The accountant estimates that the amount stolen is around, but not less than the 50k mark.

Seemingly the lass' favourite part time is coke as demonstrated by the friendface pages.

She has sent several texts to the shop owner admitting all that she has done.

It all came about simply because the stock items did not match the amounts going through the till and every day she would Z the till and ring in differing amounts.

The shop owners had to take a recent loan to keep the shop going.

I shall say no more for now regarding the facts, but crikey, what a mess.

Just saw the bit about the loan and the Columbian marching powder.

She'll get prison. And a fair chunk of it. And rightly so.



What a scumbag.

[AlfaRSpider]

TonyHetherington said:

Something that used to be rife when I worked in a nightclub years ago;

Customer buys 15 worth of things. You do everything right for the customer (i.e. tell him right total, give him right change) but put it through till as 10. Keep mental note during the day. When the 'up' value gets to a nice round figure, take it out the till.

The till is then correct, the only conflict being stock take. However, how many small business owners know to the penny what they should have? so many have stock that's sat for years etc.

It becomes even harder to trace if the thief is, for example, working in a coffee shop. With a straight espresso shot costing a couple of quid these days, and consisting of, I don't know, maybe 20 coffee beans, that can scale to a low amount of stock to go missing for a high amount of stolen money. With thousands of coffee beans in each bag, who's gonna miss a bag or two going missing every few weeks? It provides a scenario for which large amounts of money can be taken, while keeping the source of the missing money very hard to trace. It's more of a wonder to me how these people sleep at night. And I mean that completely literally; I actually would not be able to sleep with that hanging over my conscience!

[drivin_me_nuts]

Thanks for the replies. When I next see her, I shall indeed let her know your thoughts and the fact that she is more than likely going to get a custodial sentence.

As Mr Soovy said, what a scumbag.

Apparently, the answer to the question 'why did you take the money?'

was...



ready for it ...




'because I could.'

[RSoovy4]

drivin_me_nuts said:

Thanks for the replies. When I next see her, I shall indeed let her know your thoughts and the fact that she is more than likely going to get a custodial sentence.

As Mr Soovy said, what a scumbag.

Apparently, the answer to the question 'why did you take the money?'

was...



ready for it ...




'because I could.'

Police.

She'll never see the money, she can just make sure this tossbag gets some jail time.

[Red Devil]

Muzzer79 said:

She *has* to go to the Police.

1k is a urine-take offer designed to try and sweep this under the carpet and keep daughter-dearest out of the nick.

Nobody likes seeing "nice" people go down but she is clearly not a "nice" person to be nicking 50k from them!

+1

StottyZr said:

She needs to go to jail IMO.

Repeat offending isn't uncommon especially if "give another chance" a women at my mums work was found to be stealing money by matching their fees to the royal mail and transferring it into her own account. It was picked upon by my mum who realised that they don't do a bank transfer to royal mail as its direct debit.

It transpired that she had done the same thing at a previous employment and had paid them a significant amount back so they didn't contact the police.

Her boss called around all her previous employers as she will most likely have been doing the same there but not been caught. It was a very big mess.

^^This^^

I can't believe the shop owners are going to keep this thief on as an employee. How would they feel if, having swept it all under the carpet, she went and did it again elsewhere? For example to a charity. Would they be able to sleep easily at night?

[AlfaRSpider]

RSoovy4 said:

Police.

She'll never see the money, she can just make sure this tossbag gets some jail time.

+1

Boils my blood and it wasn't even me she took the money from.

[jas xjr]

drivin_me_nuts said:

Well, I just went and had a chat with the other lady who co-owns the shop..

Seems that she has been taking money from the shop for the last two years and every shift she has worked shows till readings of half the other staff's nights. The accountant estimates that the amount stolen is around, but not less than the 50k mark.

Seemingly the lass' favourite part time is coke as demonstrated by the friendface pages.

She has sent several texts to the shop owner admitting all that she has done.

It all came about simply because the stock items did not match the amounts going through the till and every day she would Z the till and ring in differing amounts.

The shop owners had to take a recent loan to keep the shop going.

I shall say no more for now regarding the facts, but crikey, what a mess.

the Z reading trick is easy to pick up on if checked . every till will show the number of Z readings and number of transactions .

scum could have put your friend out of business

[carinaman]

drivin_me_nuts said:

Thanks for the replies. When I next see her, I shall indeed let her know your thoughts and the fact that she is more than likely going to get a custodial sentence.

As Mr Soovy said, what a scumbag.

Apparently, the answer to the question 'why did you take the money?'

was...



ready for it ...




'because I could.'

I'm not surprised. Isn't that often the case?

Hillsborough, the Mitchell Plebgate smear, Blair and Campbell's Dodgy Dossier, Sebastian Vettel passing Webber, Professional footballers and their liking for a good roasting, child molesting Clerics, Doctors and Teachers?

While I am wary of 'once a wrong un always a wrong un', errors of judgement and possible indications of a need for a 'thinking skills' course aren't the sole domain of common or garden tea leaves I am afraid.

'Because I could' would also seem applicable to some of these horror stories about neglect in the NHS and care homes.


Her dealers will have to find another revenue stream now.

Edited by carinaman on Monday 25th March 17:24

[drivin_me_nuts]

jas xjr said:

the Z reading trick is easy to pick up on if checked . every till will show the number of Z readings and number of transactions .

scum could have put your friend out of business

.. and her shifts are the only shifts that show this. Funny that.

[g3org3y]

drivin_me_nuts said:

Thanks for the replies. When I next see her, I shall indeed let her know your thoughts and the fact that she is more than likely going to get a custodial sentence.

As Mr Soovy said, what a scumbag.

Apparently, the answer to the question 'why did you take the money?'

was...



ready for it ...




'because I could.'

Bad.

I could understand (sort of) if the girl in question had a genuine drug addiction (heroin, cocaine etc). Unfortunately, drug addiction drives people to extreme (criminal) behaviour and in times of desperation...

"Because I could" = uber scumbag. 50k is a st load of cash and can easily mean the difference between a business surviving or going under.

Lawyer types - what's the likelihood of the owner ever getting the money back? Will the scumgirl have to pay back the owner until the total is reached? Is there any kind of business insurance that protects against this?

[Mr2Mike]

I know the person that had ten times this amount stolen from him over a number of years. The thieving bh effectively got away with it as well.

[Du1point8]

Think your friends need to sort out their book keeping skills too.

Was it not a big red FLAG that the till was always 1/2 the take of the other one every day she worked?

Surely someone would spot... Till 1 = 200, Till 2 = 100... hmmm lets track this, at the very least its a lazy employee..

2 weeks later: Till 1, worker A = 2000, Till 2, Thief = 1000.... Hang on a fking second here... 1k down after 2 weeks by same person on same till...

Thats when stock take would be done or CCTV reviewed...

Just seems like its a very difficult thing to miss as when I worked as bartender we always cashed out at the end of the night and got quizzed if our till was not as good as everyone else... this was back in 1999, so tech has moved on slightly now.

[TheBear]

drivin_me_nuts said:

Thanks for the replies. When I next see her, I shall indeed let her know your thoughts and the fact that she is more than likely going to get a custodial sentence.

As Mr Soovy said, what a scumbag.

Apparently, the answer to the question 'why did you take the money?'

was...



ready for it ...




'because I could.'

I'd be wary of telling her that she would get a custodial. The lady seems to be in two minds about involving the police so the thought of prison for her might deter her.

What you need to be clear to her about, repeatedly, is how this girl deceived her trust and never admitted to it until the CCTV was reviewed and she had no get out. She is only sorry that she was caught, NOT that she stole from her. She would still be stealing from her now if she could get away with it. That is who she is, not the front she is now portraying.

The offer of 1000 is insulting to say the least if the reported amount is accurate. Present the cheque and texts as evidence for the police to use in interview.

Do not let her feel sorry for this girl as it could dissuade her.

If she has a drug habit and did it to fund an addiction then that is for her Lawyer to argue in mitigation in court not for the lady to take into account when deciding whether to involve the police. She is an Adult and made her decision.

[drivin_me_nuts]

TheBear said:

I'd be wary of telling her that she would get a custodial. The lady seems to be in two minds about involving the police so the thought of prison for her might deter her.

What you need to be clear to her about, repeatedly, is how this girl deceived her trust and never admitted to it until the CCTV was reviewed and she had no get out. She is only sorry that she was caught, NOT that she stole from her. She would still be stealing from her now if she could get away with it. That is who she is, not the front she is now portraying.

The offer of 1000 is insulting to say the least if the reported amount is accurate. Present the cheque and texts as evidence for the police to use in interview.

Do not let her feel sorry for this girl as it could dissuade her.

If she has a drug habit and did it to fund an addiction then that is for her Lawyer to argue in mitigation in court not for the lady to take into account when deciding whether to involve the police. She is an Adult and made her decision.

I absolutely agree with everything you said.

If she was working tonight, then no doubt the till would be down tomorrow. When I next see her, I shall ask what she has decided to do. I think she will go ahead and tell the police. In the balance of probability, her sense of anger (very palpable and raw) will far outweigh any sense of 'compassion'* (*choose what ever word you feel appropriate) she might have had for her.

Personally, I find the fact that her father would offer 1000 not to go to the police rather insulting.

[jas xjr]

drivin_me_nuts said:

TheBear said:

I'd be wary of telling her that she would get a custodial. The lady seems to be in two minds about involving the police so the thought of prison for her might deter her.

What you need to be clear to her about, repeatedly, is how this girl deceived her trust and never admitted to it until the CCTV was reviewed and she had no get out. She is only sorry that she was caught, NOT that she stole from her. She would still be stealing from her now if she could get away with it. That is who she is, not the front she is now portraying.

The offer of 1000 is insulting to say the least if the reported amount is accurate. Present the cheque and texts as evidence for the police to use in interview.

Do not let her feel sorry for this girl as it could dissuade her.

If she has a drug habit and did it to fund an addiction then that is for her Lawyer to argue in mitigation in court not for the lady to take into account when deciding whether to involve the police. She is an Adult and made her decision.

I absolutely agree with everything you said.

If she was working tonight, then no doubt the till would be down tomorrow. When I next see her, I shall ask what she has decided to do. I think she will go ahead and tell the police. In the balance of probability, her sense of anger (very palpable and raw) will far outweigh any sense of 'compassion'* (*choose what ever word you feel appropriate) she might have had for her.

Personally, I find the fact that her father would offer 1000 not to go to the police rather insulting.

if the father had offered 50k , if it was me i would ask the father for that , even if he has to remortgage . might be wrong morally

[Terminator X]

TonyHetherington said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

sleep envy said:

Amy I ask how she found out?

CCTV.

Edit: I'm unfamiliar with the use of a till, but she said to me that she has in effect been pocketing the cash that hasn't been put through the till (she also mentioned something about resetting the till and the float.. but like I said I have no idea how or what is involved in doing that)

Something that used to be rife when I worked in a nightclub years ago;

Customer buys 15 worth of things. You do everything right for the customer (i.e. tell him right total, give him right change) but put it through till as 10. Keep mental note during the day. When the 'up' value gets to a nice round figure, take it out the till.

The till is then correct, the only conflict being stock take. However, how many small business owners know to the penny what they should have? so many have stock that's sat for years etc.

Edited by TonyHetherington on Monday 25th March 16:11

Mate of mine used to work in a bookies when we were both at Uni (late 80's/early 90's), if a punter came in placing a bet that he thought wouldn't win he'd write out a slip but not register it with the till, usually he was right and he just put the money in his pocket ... kerching!

TX.

[Octoposse]

Muzzer79 said:

1k is a urine-take offer designed to try and sweep this under the carpet and keep daughter-dearest out of the nick.

I'd suspect she hasn't entirely levelled with her Dad, but just owned up to 'borrowing' 'a few hundred'.

Police. Sooner the better.

[Mojooo]

Centurion07 said:

Be interested in a genuine solicitor's response on this one.

If found guilty at the end of it, can the shop owner claim 100% of the money back from her & if so, how?

I wouldn't count on it - if she pleads poverty the court will be quite happy to punish her and 'write off' the stolen amount

[Jagmanv12]

jas xjr said:

if the father had offered 50k , if it was me i would ask the father for that , even if he has to remortgage . might be wrong morally

I'd go with this suggestion. Make the father aware that this is the amount stolen. If he has to take out a mortgage so be it. Then obviously sack the daughter.

If he can't come up with the money, go to the police.

[Du1point8]

Jagmanv12 said:

jas xjr said:

if the father had offered 50k , if it was me i would ask the father for that , even if he has to remortgage . might be wrong morally

I'd go with this suggestion. Make the father aware that this is the amount stolen. If he has to take out a mortgage so be it. Then obviously sack the daughter.

If he can't come up with the money, go to the police.

Can that be done without sounding like blackmail or doing it in a non threatening tone?