foreign trucks stopping on the hard shoulder - under bridges
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All that jazz said:
Will never happen.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/op-sta...
If you think it will then you're extremely naive I'm afraid.
It will be steamrollered through, The teams are in place working on it.http://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/op-sta...
If you think it will then you're extremely naive I'm afraid.
Unless as you say some MP trying to win a few votes tries to stymie it it (AKA Goldsmith and Heathrow) but I don't see that happening. It didn't take long for the NIMBY army to set off
All that jazz said:
Thurrock MSA is left to handle around 10,000 overnighting wagon every night when there is space there for about 50 and they want £30 per truck for the privilege.
Privilege dictates that under supply and demand they should be charging double what they are. Ffs those prices are cheaper than parking a car in London for a day/overnight and the trucks take up the space of 4 cars.
speedyguy said:
Privilege dictates that under supply and demand they should be charging double what they are. Ffs those prices are cheaper than parking a car in London for a day/overnight and the trucks take up the space of 4 cars.
I used to pay the parking fees as i always got it back from the firm but when you're an eastern european driver £30 is a hell of a lot of money and they are probably not getting it back from their bosses. Its why most of them have such large trailer boxes full up with cooking gear and food, as they couldn't live out on the prices over here.That said though, i'm not defending all of them, just trying to point out some of the things they can be up against. Some of them could do with a shower on a more regular basis, and learn what a bin is for.
speedyguy said:
All that jazz said:
Thurrock MSA is left to handle around 10,000 overnighting wagon every night when there is space there for about 50 and they want £30 per truck for the privilege.
Privilege dictates that under supply and demand they should be charging double what they are. Ffs those prices are cheaper than parking a car in London for a day/overnight and the trucks take up the space of 4 cars.All that jazz said:
Perhaps so but it doesn't detract from the point that there are nowhere near enough parking provisions for overnighting truckers, paid or unpaid.
Who should pay for the building, maintenance and s
t clearing of unpaid sites ?http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&...
Have a read of that and it didn't take long for the moaning about prices?
I'm still struggling to see why trucks charge for deliveries, surely it should be free on some of the logic being shown?
I last ran a (very) small truck 10 years ago and even then it was £2k a month running costs with only day work and no nights out.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 13th February 21:20
speedyguy said:
All that jazz said:
Perhaps so but it doesn't detract from the point that there are nowhere near enough parking provisions for overnighting truckers, paid or unpaid.
Who should pay for the building, maintenance and st clearing of unpaid sites ?http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&...
Have a read of that and it didn't take long for the moaning about prices?
I'm still struggling to see why trucks charge for deliveries, surely it should be free on some of the logic being shown?
I last ran a (very) small truck 10 years ago and even then it was £2k a month running costs with only day work and no nights out.
It's not often I get much further south than Northampton these days (I don't do nights out at all) but I was on the M1 J18-16 diversion the other night which takes you down the A5 past Rugby truckstop to DIRFT And Crick. Despite Rugby truckstop being less than half a mile up the road, a good stretch of the single carriageway A5 (NSL) had the verges chock full with parked up overnighting trucks and also the entire stretch of dual carriageway on both sides from the roundabout at the bottom all the way to J18, rending the inside lane completely unusable and it's illegal to park anywhere along there. Whether the truckstop was full, I have no idea, but I reckon it's probably just down to the drivers not getting parking paid by their company. I expect that the vast majority of them had business at one of the companies at DIRFT or Crick so they should provide free parking for their visitors and it should be a requirement for planning consent before the development is even built, imho.
All that jazz said:
I expect that the vast majority of them had business at one of the companies at DIRFT or Crick so they should provide free parking for their visitors and it should be a requirement for planning consent before the development is even built, imho.
I agree with your points,It seems that the haulage and logistics industry do not want to get their own house in order and expect someone/anyone else to solve problems of their own making. The RHA & FTA and others should hang their heads in shame.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 13th February 23:13
Not a driver myself, but I know a few blokes who do the overnight stuff.
From talking to them, the main issues seem to be,in no particular order:
NIMBYISM
Fear of attacks from criminal gangs. Apparently the A14 is particularly notorious for this
Chronic lack of suitable (and reasonably priced) parking areas. M25!!
Endless buck passing between national government/local government/Highways
Inflexible and draconian enforcement by VOSA (or whatever they're called this week)
I'm sure there's many others that I've missed.
From talking to them, the main issues seem to be,in no particular order:
NIMBYISM
Fear of attacks from criminal gangs. Apparently the A14 is particularly notorious for this
Chronic lack of suitable (and reasonably priced) parking areas. M25!!
Endless buck passing between national government/local government/Highways
Inflexible and draconian enforcement by VOSA (or whatever they're called this week)
I'm sure there's many others that I've missed.
Willy Nilly said:
Maybe better parking facilities for the drivers on a break would sort the problem out.
This is the problem, there is a serious lack of parking for trucks in this country. This is what is needed
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.4514056,-80.5949...
Simple rest areas, not expensive service areas. They are common in the US. Simple parking for travellers, toilet block and Police office, vending machines for snacks and drinks. No expensive restaurants, no expensive shops, no expensive fuel, dog walking areas, picnic benches, tourist information. Trucks can stop for free and take their legally required breaks.
For a country that is so commercialized something like this is a nice change
Nickyboy said:
This is the problem, there is a serious lack of parking for trucks in this country.
This is what is needed
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.4514056,-80.5949...
Simple rest areas, not expensive service areas. They are common in the US. Simple parking for travellers, toilet block and Police office, vending machines for snacks and drinks. No expensive restaurants, no expensive shops, no expensive fuel, dog walking areas, picnic benches, tourist information. Trucks can stop for free and take their legally required breaks.
For a country that is so commercialized something like this is a nice change
They have a lot more land than us and that's a pretty inexpensive state This is what is needed
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.4514056,-80.5949...
Simple rest areas, not expensive service areas. They are common in the US. Simple parking for travellers, toilet block and Police office, vending machines for snacks and drinks. No expensive restaurants, no expensive shops, no expensive fuel, dog walking areas, picnic benches, tourist information. Trucks can stop for free and take their legally required breaks.
For a country that is so commercialized something like this is a nice change
Vaud said:
Nickyboy said:
This is the problem, there is a serious lack of parking for trucks in this country.
This is what is needed
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.4514056,-80.5949...
Simple rest areas, not expensive service areas. They are common in the US. Simple parking for travellers, toilet block and Police office, vending machines for snacks and drinks. No expensive restaurants, no expensive shops, no expensive fuel, dog walking areas, picnic benches, tourist information. Trucks can stop for free and take their legally required breaks.
For a country that is so commercialized something like this is a nice change
As the breaks are a legal requirement it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect some form of rest facilities on trunk roads. Would drivers/haulage companies begrudge a small charge for a safe place to park and a shower with a reasonably priced place to eat? This is what is needed
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.4514056,-80.5949...
Simple rest areas, not expensive service areas. They are common in the US. Simple parking for travellers, toilet block and Police office, vending machines for snacks and drinks. No expensive restaurants, no expensive shops, no expensive fuel, dog walking areas, picnic benches, tourist information. Trucks can stop for free and take their legally required breaks.
For a country that is so commercialized something like this is a nice change
They have a lot more land than us and that's a pretty inexpensive state
Edited by Willy Nilly on Sunday 14th February 19:04
Nickyboy said:
Willy Nilly said:
Maybe better parking facilities for the drivers on a break would sort the problem out.
This is the problem, there is a serious lack of parking for trucks in this country. This is what is needed
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.4514056,-80.5949...
Simple rest areas, not expensive service areas. They are common in the US. Simple parking for travellers, toilet block and Police office, vending machines for snacks and drinks. No expensive restaurants, no expensive shops, no expensive fuel, dog walking areas, picnic benches, tourist information. Trucks can stop for free and take their legally required breaks.
For a country that is so commercialized something like this is a nice change
A little bit on rest areas here http://motorwayservicesonline.co.uk/Rest_area and why we don't really have them, what you refer to are probably known as layby's and picnic areas in this country.
A bit of reading as to why we are where we are
https://archive.org/stream/op1279102-1001/op127910...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/motorway-serv...
DMRB VOL 6 SEC 8.1 gives a bit of guidance http://www.standardsforhighways.co.uk/ha/standards...
Also somewhere in the highways act 1980 reference is made to it.
I have a feed from Kent police and today they have issued a warning to all HGV drivers to plan their journeys properly through the county,then gave the numbers of how many drivers have been ticketed for illegal overnight parking in the past month .
The continental drivers visiting this country cannot understand the lack of free parking in this country .
The total truck parking in Kent does not even cover two Euro Tunnel trains and two ferries .
The problems have been known by Kent County Council for over 30 years ,they have done the total of diddly about it and won't until forced to.
The continental drivers visiting this country cannot understand the lack of free parking in this country .
The total truck parking in Kent does not even cover two Euro Tunnel trains and two ferries .
The problems have been known by Kent County Council for over 30 years ,they have done the total of diddly about it and won't until forced to.
We charge all the foreign trucks that visit the UK .
It is levied on all vehicles over 12T and can be up to £17 each .
It was originally estimated to raise £20m per year .
It actually raised £17m in the first 4 months .
It would be interesting to see a credible explanation of where all the extra revenue was spent as it certainly hasn't been spent on increasing or improving facilities.
As for truck parking at our services , truckers will pay between £20- £35 per night to park further away from the facilities than anybody else for the privilege of sleeping in their work office in a rat infested area where the general criminal population are free to roam and help themselves to their fuel and any goods on board that takes their fancy .
It is levied on all vehicles over 12T and can be up to £17 each .
It was originally estimated to raise £20m per year .
It actually raised £17m in the first 4 months .
It would be interesting to see a credible explanation of where all the extra revenue was spent as it certainly hasn't been spent on increasing or improving facilities.
As for truck parking at our services , truckers will pay between £20- £35 per night to park further away from the facilities than anybody else for the privilege of sleeping in their work office in a rat infested area where the general criminal population are free to roam and help themselves to their fuel and any goods on board that takes their fancy .
Sk00p said:
MrBig said:
I notice that this practice seems to be on the rise again, noticeably on the slip road out of services. Presumably just avoiding parking charges...
Cobham services on the M25 is really bad for this, long slip roads in and out loaded with lorries when I pass at 6:45I think most people know now that despite a shortage of truck parking about the place one of the big issues us that people don't want to pay for it and expect overnight and long stay parking to be free.
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