Norfolk Police claim sports exhausts are illegal?
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But BMW are not responsible for actually putting your car on the road. For all they know, it could be for off-road use only.
In the same way as you can supply and fit non-standard number plates. It's the driver's responsibility not the supplier if you want to break the law by using them on the road.
In the same way as you can supply and fit non-standard number plates. It's the driver's responsibility not the supplier if you want to break the law by using them on the road.
rscott said:
bad company said:
I don't think Norfolk plod are referring to manufacturer fitted sports exhausts.
It's not manufacturer fitted - it's a dealer fit upgrade.If anyone who has such an exhaust fitted has been told it is illegal by anyone in a position of authority i'll eat my shorts.
richie99 said:
I have no particularly strong feeling one way or another but I think they do know what they are referring to and they almost certainly right - just no one has ever bothered to enforce it.
Norfolk Police said:
Big bore and sports exhaust systems are usually fitted to increase the sound emitted and this contravenes the Type Approval of the vehicle, which is an offence. There is no requirement for police to measure the sound level from the exhaust system, it only requires an opinion that the system is not standard and that it is noisier than a normal vehicle of the same specification.
So you are happy that the Law states it is an offence to fit an exhaust with the intention of increasing the sound but Norfolk Police don't think it's necessary to test this at all? The opinion of a policeman is all that is necessary. We are straying further and further into MegaCity 1. What's next "I think your car is too old"? "I think your car is the wrong colour"? "I think your car is too expensive for you"?rscott said:
This claims that changing your exhaust for one which is non-standard and makes the car louder is illegal?
So BMW will sell an exhaust which makes my car break the law by providing 'an even more powerful, sporty sound' . This is a dealer fitted upgrade, so can't be part of the original Type Approval.
And yet Monkey boy 1 had Norfolk police testing his car...So BMW will sell an exhaust which makes my car break the law by providing 'an even more powerful, sporty sound' . This is a dealer fitted upgrade, so can't be part of the original Type Approval.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=120...
Snowboy said:
Seems like a fairly sensible law if used properly.
Brats in very loud cars get told to stop being loud.
Job jobbed.
The trouble is that it won't be. Soon you'll have any normally loud car (eg TVR) bring pulled, "That sounds loud to me" ......Brats in very loud cars get told to stop being loud.
Job jobbed.
See threads on s59 as another "good idea"
Norfolk Stasi said:
The vast majority of large or big bore exhausts are illegal for use on public roads. The fact they may have passed an MOT test is irrelevant as this only checks for exhaust gasses and emission legislation compliance.
Big bore and sports exhaust systems are usually fitted to increase the sound emitted and this contravenes the Type Approval of the vehicle, which is an offence. There is no requirement for police to measure the sound level from the exhaust system, it only requires an opinion that the system is not standard and that it is noisier than a normal vehicle of the same specification.
It is not an offence to sell these exhaust systems, but it is an offence to fit one to your vehicle and drive it on a public road. Motorists who do so would be reported to court and may face a fine and court costs.
I fitted an - expensive - sports exhaust system to my car. To liberate more power. It may be louder than standard - if it is it's not noticeable. So if I travel through Norfolk (which I have no intention of doing - it's too flat and I like my countryside to be like my women - curvy) the plod can stop me and charge me if they think my car is louder than standard? How will they tell - will they be carrying an i-pod loaded with "standard" exhaust noise for every car on the road today?Big bore and sports exhaust systems are usually fitted to increase the sound emitted and this contravenes the Type Approval of the vehicle, which is an offence. There is no requirement for police to measure the sound level from the exhaust system, it only requires an opinion that the system is not standard and that it is noisier than a normal vehicle of the same specification.
It is not an offence to sell these exhaust systems, but it is an offence to fit one to your vehicle and drive it on a public road. Motorists who do so would be reported to court and may face a fine and court costs.
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kers.It reminds me of this:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=14&...
I am troubled by needlessly loud exhausts that would be less of an issue if the drivers and users used some throttle restraint but some seem intent on ramming their dBA down your throat and rubbing your nose in it but I think they should be tested and dealt with rather that go on what an officer thinks is too loud.
Look at the app Clarkson used when testing the three Supercars around that newly built, uninhabited Spanish town. That app may be inaccurate and may be dependent on whatever smart phone it's used on, but would someone be able to come up with a small easily used noise meter for a big order from all of the police forces for several thousand units?
Look at foodie's Dashcam showing 52MPH when he's really only doing 40. That GPS reading could be tested so could other off the shelf noise meter apps. be tested for accuracy? Weren't the three supercars in Spain by Clarkson on Top Gear all at around 103dBA which would be consistent with EU noise regulations and therefore the accuracy of that app on his phone?
That thread about kids riding a Mini Moto and the OP being in two minds about it, in my experience kids and adults using public access green areas to mess around on would be less of an issue if the motorcycles were more effectively silenced. I think in some cases if it wasn't for the din their motorcycles were kicking out nobody would know they were there.
It's a Top Gear like challenge for some PH friendly/tolerant BiB? Get your box of noise testing kit and test it against the noise meter apps for smart phones? For all I know a motoring enthusiast magazine or website may have already done such a comparison test? The noise meter kit BiB may have may be more accurate and more expensive but is it like the Lexus LFA tests mentioning and showing the Nissan GTR? The GTR is much cheaper but stats wise isn't far off of an LFA.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=14&...
I am troubled by needlessly loud exhausts that would be less of an issue if the drivers and users used some throttle restraint but some seem intent on ramming their dBA down your throat and rubbing your nose in it but I think they should be tested and dealt with rather that go on what an officer thinks is too loud.
Look at the app Clarkson used when testing the three Supercars around that newly built, uninhabited Spanish town. That app may be inaccurate and may be dependent on whatever smart phone it's used on, but would someone be able to come up with a small easily used noise meter for a big order from all of the police forces for several thousand units?
Look at foodie's Dashcam showing 52MPH when he's really only doing 40. That GPS reading could be tested so could other off the shelf noise meter apps. be tested for accuracy? Weren't the three supercars in Spain by Clarkson on Top Gear all at around 103dBA which would be consistent with EU noise regulations and therefore the accuracy of that app on his phone?
That thread about kids riding a Mini Moto and the OP being in two minds about it, in my experience kids and adults using public access green areas to mess around on would be less of an issue if the motorcycles were more effectively silenced. I think in some cases if it wasn't for the din their motorcycles were kicking out nobody would know they were there.
It's a Top Gear like challenge for some PH friendly/tolerant BiB? Get your box of noise testing kit and test it against the noise meter apps for smart phones? For all I know a motoring enthusiast magazine or website may have already done such a comparison test? The noise meter kit BiB may have may be more accurate and more expensive but is it like the Lexus LFA tests mentioning and showing the Nissan GTR? The GTR is much cheaper but stats wise isn't far off of an LFA.
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 24th July 13:45
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