MLM fines come into place today
Discussion
Just seen this on BBC news. MLM to get on the spot fine up to 100 quid and 3 points.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22770064
It isn't a new offence but will give police new powers to punish those who do this.
Bit surprised there's no thread on this already especially as it's such a bugbear of most PHers!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22770064
It isn't a new offence but will give police new powers to punish those who do this.
Bit surprised there's no thread on this already especially as it's such a bugbear of most PHers!
LeoZwalf said:
Bit surprised there's no thread on this already especially as it's such a bugbear of most PHers!
Title will be in a secret code somewhere so you will not know where it is.Not sure how this is going to pan out, is it a bit careful for what you wish for.....?
Keep an eye out on this thread for "friends" getting caught tailgating when they clearly were not....
Bit more info in this piece too. Interesting list of what he police are likely to be looking at.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23713732
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23713732
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Bit more info in this piece too. Interesting list of what he police are likely to be looking at.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23713732
Blimey. Changing lanes at a roundabout? With the silly road markings being used today, if you don't know the area you're now stuffed if they're watching.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23713732
Engineer1 said:
The big issue with this is it will need a Copper to see the offence so unless you are massively unlucky or tailgate through/past a police station you should be fine.
Agree 100%.I spend every week day evening/night trunking from Manchester to Glasgow. From Manchester to Preston you see a few traffic cars both marked and unmarked but from Preston to Gretna I will not see one.
I do however regularly get stuck with a 50 mph MLM, speeding car/van drivers with a variety of trailers and more commonly I see trailers with speedboats or jet skis flying in lane 3, not through ignorance but regular users know they will not get caught.
Expect a barrage of tickets in urban areas for the roundabout lane discipline and giveway junctions, ironically probably by traffic officers taken away from the motorways to cover the shortfall of officers!
The reality of this that there won't be any fines handed out for either offence for a VERY long time. This is for the following reason(s);
1) The police themselves know nothing about this
2) The police have had no training / input on what actually constitutes either offence
3) No paperwork or fines or tickets has been bought into circulation allowing police to hand out anything
4) For those services using PDA's no software update or amendments have been made to cover dealing with these supposed new offences
5) Due to the archaic infrastructure and the way the police system works, none of the above will happen until probably late next year.
All of the above is accurate for the Met as I have discussed this with ex colleaugues. I would suspect it is much the same throughout the rest of the country too.
1) The police themselves know nothing about this
2) The police have had no training / input on what actually constitutes either offence
3) No paperwork or fines or tickets has been bought into circulation allowing police to hand out anything
4) For those services using PDA's no software update or amendments have been made to cover dealing with these supposed new offences
5) Due to the archaic infrastructure and the way the police system works, none of the above will happen until probably late next year.
All of the above is accurate for the Met as I have discussed this with ex colleaugues. I would suspect it is much the same throughout the rest of the country too.
They were never, not and never will be dealt with as S3 offences except in the most extreme circumstances. With no additional ability actually given to officers to deal with the issue, nothing will change despite what the news says. When I was in traffic over a period of years, along with my colleaugues, I dealt with zero of these offences. Had their been the option of a fixed penalty I would have done thousands, but there wasn't and as yet there still isn't despite what internet news articles may state.
jogon said:
They should have just made 'undertaking' or passing on the left acceptable.
In my experience its much more than 1/3 of drivers it's more like 3/4 who simply don't adhere to lane discipline.
If you go to an empty motorway - of which there aren't that many unless you drive around at 4am or maybe the M6 toll - then MLMs are relatively rare. The problem is that many drivers have no concept about how little time it takes to move from the middle lane, to the left lane while someone overtakes and back again to continue their progress past whatever obstacle a mile up ahead is causing them to be a MLM. In my experience its much more than 1/3 of drivers it's more like 3/4 who simply don't adhere to lane discipline.
Dizeee said:
They were never, not and never will be dealt with as S3 offences except in the most extreme circumstances.
Um, tailgaiting etc. are s3 offences, more or less always have been. I can't think of any alternate legislation then or now.That you didn't deal with them previously is neither here nor there.
Aggressive tailgating may fall into a Sec 3 remit, but general tailgating, undertaking and lane hogging very rarely so.
Sec 3 is subjective and open to interpretation within the courts, once you factor in the CPS requirements in order to achieve their own figures and targets, not a lot gets to court unless there is outstanding evidence.
Sec 3 is subjective and open to interpretation within the courts, once you factor in the CPS requirements in order to achieve their own figures and targets, not a lot gets to court unless there is outstanding evidence.
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