MLM fines come into place today
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What about the offence of undertaking, if there is one?
I had a late night run from Milton Keynes to Basildon a couple of weeks ago, 4 lane section of an emptyish M1, cruising at 70-75 in lane 1 I lost count of the vehicles I went past bumbling along in lane 3.
Felt it safer to do what I did rather than crossing 4 lanes of motorway.
I had a late night run from Milton Keynes to Basildon a couple of weeks ago, 4 lane section of an emptyish M1, cruising at 70-75 in lane 1 I lost count of the vehicles I went past bumbling along in lane 3.
Felt it safer to do what I did rather than crossing 4 lanes of motorway.
streaky said:
Policing needs police.
Streaky
What I said earlier on . After umpteen years of new laws ( I'd suspect for the sake of it ,by a pair of legal gents who went into politics --and I wonder why) , this new lot still haven't got it , or is it the same bunch of civil servants . To PREVENT CRIME ,you need blokes on the streets. perhaps if some forces are short of cash, they should consider a merge with other forces - less top brass to eat up the funds ,and perhaps then we couold pay the Bobby on the beat what he/she's worth .not what the force can get away with . Streaky
speedyguy said:
pork911 said:
i'm all for driver training especially motorways etc
...but not just new drivers
When you and the others who spout that think it through and the logistics of it and please come back and explain it to a numpty like me....but not just new drivers
Thanks
pork911 said:
speedyguy said:
pork911 said:
i'm all for driver training especially motorways etc
...but not just new drivers
When you and the others who spout that think it through and the logistics of it and please come back and explain it to a numpty like me....but not just new drivers
Thanks
New drivers should need to pass enhanced tests that include motorway driving. Current drivers would have grandfather rights. Just like trailers. I can tow a trailer, but I haven't been tested.
Undertaking...
There are lots of motorways that have been widened from 3 to 4 lanes, but only between junctions. If I come onto the M1 at Jct 23A intending to exit at 24, should I undertake a slow vehicle that is doing 40mph in lane 2, or should I move across upto 4 lanes to move back to an empty lane 1, or should I hang back staying in lane 1 and add to the congestion?
Keeping to the left lane is NOT always the correct thing to do. If everybody moved left between these junctions, the motorway would be chaos as everyone tries to move back to lane 2 before they are forced up the slip road.
Undertaking...
There are lots of motorways that have been widened from 3 to 4 lanes, but only between junctions. If I come onto the M1 at Jct 23A intending to exit at 24, should I undertake a slow vehicle that is doing 40mph in lane 2, or should I move across upto 4 lanes to move back to an empty lane 1, or should I hang back staying in lane 1 and add to the congestion?
Keeping to the left lane is NOT always the correct thing to do. If everybody moved left between these junctions, the motorway would be chaos as everyone tries to move back to lane 2 before they are forced up the slip road.
Who me said:
streaky said:
Policing needs police.
Streaky
What I said earlier on . After umpteen years of new laws ( I'd suspect for the sake of it ,by a pair of legal gents who went into politics --and I wonder why) , this new lot still haven't got it , or is it the same bunch of civil servants . To PREVENT CRIME ,you need blokes on the streets. perhaps if some forces are short of cash, they should consider a merge with other forces - less top brass to eat up the funds ,and perhaps then we couold pay the Bobby on the beat what he/she's worth .not what the force can get away with . Streaky
The brass hats will resist, the politicos will merely 'spoffle' (*), Whitehall will block (on the grounds that fewer police forces would mean fewer civil servants). Seen it before ... too many times.
Streaky
* A chimera word we invented many years ago for "spout and waffle".
Edited by streaky on Thursday 21st November 04:05
pingu393 said:
New drivers should need to pass enhanced tests that include motorway driving. Current drivers would have grandfather rights. Just like trailers. I can tow a trailer, but I haven't been tested.
Undertaking...
There are lots of motorways that have been widened from 3 to 4 lanes, but only between junctions. If I come onto the M1 at Jct 23A intending to exit at 24, should I undertake a slow vehicle that is doing 40mph in lane 2, or should I move across upto 4 lanes to move back to an empty lane 1, or should I hang back staying in lane 1 and add to the congestion?
Keeping to the left lane is NOT always the correct thing to do. If everybody moved left between these junctions, the motorway would be chaos as everyone tries to move back to lane 2 before they are forced up the slip road.
The 4 lane sections of the M1 highlights just how prevalent the problem is when you can drive almost a mile at 70mph in lane 1 'undertaking' every other car even those in lane 4. It's almost like the secret Freemason road in the Simpsons. Undertaking...
There are lots of motorways that have been widened from 3 to 4 lanes, but only between junctions. If I come onto the M1 at Jct 23A intending to exit at 24, should I undertake a slow vehicle that is doing 40mph in lane 2, or should I move across upto 4 lanes to move back to an empty lane 1, or should I hang back staying in lane 1 and add to the congestion?
Keeping to the left lane is NOT always the correct thing to do. If everybody moved left between these junctions, the motorway would be chaos as everyone tries to move back to lane 2 before they are forced up the slip road.
I say allow passing on the left as having cars and trucks whiz past either side of you no longer makes the middle lane the safe haven it's become for these inconsiderate morons.
[quote=Who me ?]
What I said earlier on . After umpteen years of new laws ( I'd suspect for the sake of it ,by a pair of legal gents who went into politics --and I wonder why) , this new lot still haven't got it , or is it the same bunch of civil servants . To PREVENT CRIME ,you need blokes on the streets. perhaps if some forces are short of cash, they should consider a merge with other forces - less top brass to eat up the funds ,and perhaps then we couold pay the Bobby on the beat what he/she's worth .not what the force can get away with .
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We have done just that here in Scotland , with the Police and Fire Services .
I understand England is now looking at the same , for the Fire Service at least , so it may well happen .
What I said earlier on . After umpteen years of new laws ( I'd suspect for the sake of it ,by a pair of legal gents who went into politics --and I wonder why) , this new lot still haven't got it , or is it the same bunch of civil servants . To PREVENT CRIME ,you need blokes on the streets. perhaps if some forces are short of cash, they should consider a merge with other forces - less top brass to eat up the funds ,and perhaps then we couold pay the Bobby on the beat what he/she's worth .not what the force can get away with .
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We have done just that here in Scotland , with the Police and Fire Services .
I understand England is now looking at the same , for the Fire Service at least , so it may well happen .
streaky said:
Turkeys won't vote for Christmas.
The brass hats will resist, the politicos will merely 'spoffle' (*), Whitehall will block (on the grounds that fewer police forces would mean fewer civil servants). Seen it before ... too many times.
Streaky
We've just done it , and a lot of the highest ranks were more than happy to walk away early with enhanced early retirement packages , lump sums , extra years of pension added on .. .. Then free to take up another career whilst still relatively young .The brass hats will resist, the politicos will merely 'spoffle' (*), Whitehall will block (on the grounds that fewer police forces would mean fewer civil servants). Seen it before ... too many times.
Streaky
* A chimera word we invented many years ago for "spout and waffle".
This was all done at the behest of the government .
zetec said:
What about the offence of undertaking, if there is one?
I had a late night run from Milton Keynes to Basildon a couple of weeks ago, 4 lane section of an emptyish M1, cruising at 70-75 in lane 1 I lost count of the vehicles I went past bumbling along in lane 3.
Felt it safer to do what I did rather than crossing 4 lanes of motorway.
I agree, keep left and continue on your merry way I had a late night run from Milton Keynes to Basildon a couple of weeks ago, 4 lane section of an emptyish M1, cruising at 70-75 in lane 1 I lost count of the vehicles I went past bumbling along in lane 3.
Felt it safer to do what I did rather than crossing 4 lanes of motorway.
Nooooo, you are totally wrong. What we need is more and more CCTV. It does f
k all other than to record a crime rather than stop it, and its backed up by loads of know it alls who think its the answer to everything.Then you can do what they did in my town and close the local cop station because we have cameras to reduce crime. Of course it doesn't and worse doesn't stop it in the first place. But hey ho, its obviously worth the hundreds of thousands of £s to implement
Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 18th August 15:30
Apologies for not having read all the pages in this thread.
As a regular motorway commuter before I retired (Oxford-LHR) and fortnightly since (Oxford-Bovingdon to clear my DPF and visit our daughter's family) I went on my first motorway trip since the new law today, a stint up the M40 to J12 and back. I find now that there are drivers taking this new instruction too literally, ie they are diving into the inner lane after overtaking only to have to come straight back out again due to having passed one vehicle at a differing speed of 20-30mph and coming upon another slow one. Ridiculous - I have seen more near misses in those relatively short journeys up and back than I used to see in a whole day when I was working. I do hope that any patrol car drivers will exercise discretion when watching drivers overtaking and NOT pulling back in immediately when there are many vehicles with - say - only about 50-70 yards between them in the inner lane and going considerably slower.
My 2 pennorth.
Pete
Edited to add - I looked briefly at the BBC article and I suppose that the BIB (bless 'em) will consider the word 'needlessly'!
As a regular motorway commuter before I retired (Oxford-LHR) and fortnightly since (Oxford-Bovingdon to clear my DPF and visit our daughter's family) I went on my first motorway trip since the new law today, a stint up the M40 to J12 and back. I find now that there are drivers taking this new instruction too literally, ie they are diving into the inner lane after overtaking only to have to come straight back out again due to having passed one vehicle at a differing speed of 20-30mph and coming upon another slow one. Ridiculous - I have seen more near misses in those relatively short journeys up and back than I used to see in a whole day when I was working. I do hope that any patrol car drivers will exercise discretion when watching drivers overtaking and NOT pulling back in immediately when there are many vehicles with - say - only about 50-70 yards between them in the inner lane and going considerably slower.
My 2 pennorth.
Pete
Edited to add - I looked briefly at the BBC article and I suppose that the BIB (bless 'em) will consider the word 'needlessly'!
Edited by Petemate on Sunday 18th August 22:41
Pontoneer said:
[quote=Who me ?]
What I said earlier on . After umpteen years of new laws ( I'd suspect for the sake of it ,by a pair of legal gents who went into politics --and I wonder why) , this new lot still haven't got it , or is it the same bunch of civil servants . To PREVENT CRIME ,you need blokes on the streets. perhaps if some forces are short of cash, they should consider a merge with other forces - less top brass to eat up the funds ,and perhaps then we couold pay the Bobby on the beat what he/she's worth .not what the force can get away with .
We have done just that here in Scotland , with the Police and Fire Services .What I said earlier on . After umpteen years of new laws ( I'd suspect for the sake of it ,by a pair of legal gents who went into politics --and I wonder why) , this new lot still haven't got it , or is it the same bunch of civil servants . To PREVENT CRIME ,you need blokes on the streets. perhaps if some forces are short of cash, they should consider a merge with other forces - less top brass to eat up the funds ,and perhaps then we couold pay the Bobby on the beat what he/she's worth .not what the force can get away with .
I understand England is now looking at the same , for the Fire Service at least , so it may well happen .
You are not an MLM if there is nobody behind you, but I expect that the BiBs on the bridges with the cameras will still get the Treasury a £100 bonus.
The irony is that it is safer to be in the middle lane of an empty motorway, as there is more avoidance room on either side of you.
I look forward to some interesting discussions when the fines start.
The irony is that it is safer to be in the middle lane of an empty motorway, as there is more avoidance room on either side of you.
I look forward to some interesting discussions when the fines start.
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