MLM fines come into place today
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pingu393 said:
covboy said:
pingu393 said:
as there is more avoidance room on either side of you.
avoidnace of what ?covboy said:
If all that happens in the middle lane, I think I’ll stick with the N/S – Just to be sure !
Lane 1 gives the options of lane 2 or hard shoulder, and you can drive only looking forward if you want to (not that you should). You can hog Lane 1 and "block"* traffic entering from a sliproad if you want, or move to Lane 2 if you are courteous.Lane 2 gives the options of lane 1 or lane 3 to avoid debris, but you need to look behind as well as forward, and move to Lane 1 when traffic is seen behind. You don't need to change to Lane 2 when someone enters from a sliproad as you are already there. You can move to Lane 1 after you have overtaken them, or stay in Lane 2 continuously indicating left if they are along side you in Lane 1. They have the choice of reducing speed and letting you move into Lane 1 or undertaking you.
Lane 1 reduces your options more than necessary as hard shoulders are often covered in debris such as broken glass, etc. If you are rearwardly observant I think that Lane 2 is a better choice on an EMPTY 3-lane motorway. (I would choose Lane 1 on a empty 2-lane motorway.)
- in quotes because you have no obligation to move over, but it is courteous to do so.
pingu393 said:
covboy said:
If all that happens in the middle lane, I think I’ll stick with the N/S – Just to be sure !
Lane 1 gives the options of lane 2 or hard shoulder, and you can drive only looking forward if you want to (not that you should). You can hog Lane 1 and "block"* traffic entering from a sliproad if you want, or move to Lane 2 if you are courteous.Lane 2 gives the options of lane 1 or lane 3 to avoid debris, but you need to look behind as well as forward, and move to Lane 1 when traffic is seen behind. You don't need to change to Lane 2 when someone enters from a sliproad as you are already there. You can move to Lane 1 after you have overtaken them, or stay in Lane 2 continuously indicating left if they are along side you in Lane 1. They have the choice of reducing speed and letting you move into Lane 1 or undertaking you.
Lane 1 reduces your options more than necessary as hard shoulders are often covered in debris such as broken glass, etc. If you are rearwardly observant I think that Lane 2 is a better choice on an EMPTY 3-lane motorway. (I would choose Lane 1 on a empty 2-lane motorway.)
- in quotes because you have no obligation to move over, but it is courteous to do so.
You are just as likely to encounter debris on the motorway in any lane.
You have a means of escape from the live lane you are in to another lane on either side of you in lane 1 or lane 2.
Your post seems to me to be a classic example of coming to a conclusion first, then working backwards to find the justification for it.
With respect, you are talking mainly drivel and, it seems, in an attempt to justify continuing to swan along in lane 2. If there's any justice in the world you ought to be first on the list for a FPN
rs1952 said:
You are just as likely to encounter debris on the motorway in any lane.
My point exactly, so why limit your option left to the hard shoulder (which is more likely to have [small] debris than not).rs1952 said:
You have a means of escape from the live lane you are in to another lane on either side of you in lane 1 or lane 2.
see above re hard shoulder v. Lane 1 as option left. I would prefer to have a live lane on either side of me on an empty motorway, especially at night on an unlit section.rs1952 said:
... continuing to swan along in lane 2. If there's any justice in the world you ought to be first on the list for a FPN
If I am swanning along in Lane 2 and traffic needs to overtake in Lane 3 (or even worse two vehicles - one on either side) because of my lack of observation, then I deserve to get points and make a donation to HMG.If, however, the motorway is empty...
rs1952 said:
If you are travelling in lane 1 in the vicinity of a motorway junction, you should be aware of vehicles coming on to the motorway on the junction and move to lane 2 if it is free or, if not, get out of the other vehicles way in some way or another (ie. either speed up to clear the junction or fall back to allow the joining vehicle onto the motorway). You do not expect, and nor should you expect, people to come to a halt on a motorway slip road just because you are too thick to make proper allowance for joining traffic)
Erm , nooooo-ooo .If travelling in lane 1 in the vicinity of a junction , and aware of vehicles wishing to join , it is all very well to extend the courtesy of moving into lane 2 if it is available and you can do so without inconveniencing anyone already using that lane , also bearing in mind that if there is a third lane traffic may be returning from it to lane 2 . If you cannot move out because of other traffic in lane 2 , then you may make a slight adjustment in speed to avoid arriving in conflict with the other vehicle , but if this is not possible because of other traffic then the joiner should not expect you to get out of his way because traffic already on the main carriageway has priority over traffic attempting to join .
If someone attempting to join is unable to adjust and merge safely with the traffic flow on the carriageway then it is they who are thick and , if they run out of space and come to a halt , it is they who are incompetent .
Apache said:
I'm with pingu on that, I quite often use lane 2 on the M5 Toll for instance but only if there is nothing else around
Pingu is spot on. Your are not a MLM when your aware of when to move over and lane 2 is the safest to travel in, especially at speed.As for why, there are numerous factors that although unlikely are valid as to why you would want to increase your safety buffer, some would include potholes / debris / blowouts / rogue animals and if you want to take it to an extreme how about the chao in a stolen car at 3am who has just wrong sided the motorway to get away from a chasing police car?
This is the reason that police advanced drivers in the absence of other traffic at speed on a motorway or dual carriagway will use the most central point of the road, and that extends to empty 30mph, 40mph and 50mph limits aswell.
Officers will NOT be stood on bridge gantrys sending tickets on the post to empty road users in lane 2, as they will most likely be prosecuting their own.
Rule 259 of the Highway code states..
All this B
ks about moving to Lane 2 to allow others to join the motorway is a load of crap.
Rule 264 states..
You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. Slow-moving or speed-restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking. You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform or by signs.
So all these people who like traveling in Lane 2 because they believe it's the safest lane to be in, need to have a re-read of the Highway code.
- When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway.
- You should give priority to traffic already on the motorway.
- Check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane.
- Not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder.
- Stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway.
- Remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.
All this B
ks about moving to Lane 2 to allow others to join the motorway is a load of crap.Rule 264 states..
You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. Slow-moving or speed-restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking. You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform or by signs.
So all these people who like traveling in Lane 2 because they believe it's the safest lane to be in, need to have a re-read of the Highway code.
One of the most important aspects of advanced driving is maintaining a 'safety bubble' around your own vehicles. One of the areas where this is important are entrances onto motorways.
Traffic joining the motorway is, at first, normally unsighted from existing traffic already on the motorway and an unknown quantity. They may alter their speed without warning and may not have good rear or side observation, ie. they don't know you're there.
If travelling at the speed limit or above, it is good practice to move into lane 2, if safe, in anticipation of this hazard appearing.
The Highway Code is designed to advise a driver to the minimum standard required. There are plenty of further advanced driving techniques that can be used which will not appear in the HC.
Traffic joining the motorway is, at first, normally unsighted from existing traffic already on the motorway and an unknown quantity. They may alter their speed without warning and may not have good rear or side observation, ie. they don't know you're there.
If travelling at the speed limit or above, it is good practice to move into lane 2, if safe, in anticipation of this hazard appearing.
The Highway Code is designed to advise a driver to the minimum standard required. There are plenty of further advanced driving techniques that can be used which will not appear in the HC.
zippo said:
Rule 259 of the Highway code states..
All this B:cOeLnsLoOrCed:ks about moving to Lane 2 to allow others to join the motorway is a load of crap.
Rule 264 states..
You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. Slow-moving or speed-restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking. You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform or by signs.
So all these people who like traveling in Lane 2 because they believe it's the safest lane to be in, need to have a re-read of the Highway code.
Well said.....- When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway.
- You should give priority to traffic already on the motorway.
- Check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane.
- Not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder.
- Stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway.
- Remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.
All this B:cOeLnsLoOrCed:ks about moving to Lane 2 to allow others to join the motorway is a load of crap.
Rule 264 states..
You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. Slow-moving or speed-restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking. You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform or by signs.
So all these people who like traveling in Lane 2 because they believe it's the safest lane to be in, need to have a re-read of the Highway code.
10 Pence Short said:
One of the most important aspects of advanced driving is maintaining a 'safety bubble' around your own vehicles. One of the areas where this is important are entrances onto motorways.
Traffic joining the motorway is, at first, normally unsighted from existing traffic already on the motorway and an unknown quantity. They may alter their speed without warning and may not have good rear or side observation, ie. they don't know you're there.
If travelling at the speed limit or above, it is good practice to move into lane 2, if safe, in anticipation of this hazard appearing.
The Highway Code is designed to advise a driver to the minimum standard required. There are plenty of further advanced driving techniques that can be used which will not appear in the HC.
This is correct and I can't see how anybody could ever fall foul of critique when simply moving over a lane before an on slip joins the road. In fact they should be praised for good observation, anticipation and planning.Traffic joining the motorway is, at first, normally unsighted from existing traffic already on the motorway and an unknown quantity. They may alter their speed without warning and may not have good rear or side observation, ie. they don't know you're there.
If travelling at the speed limit or above, it is good practice to move into lane 2, if safe, in anticipation of this hazard appearing.
The Highway Code is designed to advise a driver to the minimum standard required. There are plenty of further advanced driving techniques that can be used which will not appear in the HC.
Dizeee said:
10 Pence Short said:
One of the most important aspects of advanced driving is maintaining a 'safety bubble' around your own vehicles. One of the areas where this is important are entrances onto motorways.
Traffic joining the motorway is, at first, normally unsighted from existing traffic already on the motorway and an unknown quantity. They may alter their speed without warning and may not have good rear or side observation, ie. they don't know you're there.
If travelling at the speed limit or above, it is good practice to move into lane 2, if safe, in anticipation of this hazard appearing.
The Highway Code is designed to advise a driver to the minimum standard required. There are plenty of further advanced driving techniques that can be used which will not appear in the HC.
This is correct and I can't see how anybody could ever fall foul of critique when simply moving over a lane before an on slip joins the road. In fact they should be praised for good observation, anticipation and planning.Traffic joining the motorway is, at first, normally unsighted from existing traffic already on the motorway and an unknown quantity. They may alter their speed without warning and may not have good rear or side observation, ie. they don't know you're there.
If travelling at the speed limit or above, it is good practice to move into lane 2, if safe, in anticipation of this hazard appearing.
The Highway Code is designed to advise a driver to the minimum standard required. There are plenty of further advanced driving techniques that can be used which will not appear in the HC.
For example here entrances on left, filling station in near/middle distance on left, with activity.
FiF said:
Well there's many a time I move to lane 2 on a two lane DC if there is potential hazard on nearside. This is assuming that to do so does not hinder anyone.
For example here entrances on left, filling station in near/middle distance on left, with activity.
Only you know how you drive -and if it is as straightforward as your point you need not worry about ever coming to notice. For example here entrances on left, filling station in near/middle distance on left, with activity.
This legislation is designed to nip in the bud the usual suspects, the morons, the idiots etc and in the mean time will make a hell of a lot of dough. But rightly so.
FiF said:
Indeed. One could have convinced oneself that some difference had been made for about a week. Now business as usual.
Has anyone actually been given a FPN for MLMing since the introduction? Not holding my breath.
Going by some on this thread they realised that you cannot educate pork. Or fine them.Has anyone actually been given a FPN for MLMing since the introduction? Not holding my breath.
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