MLM fines come into place today
Discussion
FiF said:
Well after 250 miles this morning can say that it has made no difference to mlms and following too close. However what has increased are a
holes cutting across people to make a point and then having to come back out 5 seconds later.
What do people expect, though?holes cutting across people to make a point and then having to come back out 5 seconds later. New drivers have little or no training on proper use of motorways and dual carriageways. It should come as no surprise that people fail to grasp the importance of lane discipline or even proper adjustment of their wing mirrors to work well with lane changing.
As regular long distance drivers, we all know there are so few Police on the motorway network that the ability to hand out FPNs will make little overall impression on driver behaviour.
To me this is the nub of the speed camera conundrum; investment in this area has allowed Police forces to quietly halve their effort on physical, road traffic policing.
valais said:
pork911 said:
hasn't it always been thus?
Yes, but the roads are increasingly crowded, exacerbating the problem?valais said:
pork911 said:
or giving new drivers now a steeper learning curve, less complacencey etc - or not - just thought yours a strange comment really, date on driving licence is not of central importance as to poor driving
It wasn't my comment.
valais said:
Agreed 100%. Retesting for all...
Yeah, that'll work 
Everyone whingeing about half a day off work to do it, Christ people whinge about half a day off for an SAC ike it's ruined their whole holiday year.
The test centres couldn't cope. Huge cost, most of it passed onto drivers. See the bleating about the £10 (?) renewal cost of a licence now.
People losing their jobs as they fail for things that are absolutely fine in practice, but not in line with the compliance angle. Roads jammed with people doing retests and driving excessively cautiously.
Stupid idea in the bigger scheme of things.
I'll pretty well guarantee that 30%+ of the super skilled driving gods on here would fail their test if they took it again without any retraining. I wouldn't fancy my chances of passing the test now.
valais said:
Phased in Loon, phased in. It would take a generation to implement, I am a realist.
Phasing in never works in reality. Hugely unpopular policies are dumped by the next Government very quickly, with cost being given as the reason. This would be hugely unpopular.Have a look at how the bike licence has become almost unobtainable now for anyone under 24, whereas the car testing process remains virtually unchanged in comparison. Bikes are a minority on the roads and so stuff like that can go unnoticed, whereas a car licence is viewed nowadays as a right, so making it harder to get frustrates some. Taking away that "right" (I know it's a priviledge but not really seen like that) would have millions up in arms about it.
valais said:
GadgeS3C said:
If there were actually any police to enforce the new system, that re-education would be happening
My point is that if you want to change behaviours you have to have education AND enforcement. It absolutely amazes how little money appears to spent on education of drivers given the massive impact it could have on safety and congestion.
Culturally it really does seem to be part of the rights culture to drive as badly as you want.
LoonR1 said:
Phasing in never works in reality. Hugely unpopular policies are dumped by the next Government very quickly, with cost being given as the reason. This would be hugely unpopular.
Have a look at how the bike licence has become almost unobtainable now for anyone under 24, whereas the car testing process remains virtually unchanged in comparison. Bikes are a minority on the roads and so stuff like that can go unnoticed, whereas a car licence is viewed nowadays as a right, so making it harder to get frustrates some. Taking away that "right" (I know it's a priviledge but not really seen like that) would have millions up in arms about it.
I take your points, but it could be done. Seatbelts (front then back), strict alcohol limits, all have been introduced under safety grounds and none have been repealed. Start with compulsory testing for 80+ and work down from there. My grandfather should never have been driving past about 81. Have a look at how the bike licence has become almost unobtainable now for anyone under 24, whereas the car testing process remains virtually unchanged in comparison. Bikes are a minority on the roads and so stuff like that can go unnoticed, whereas a car licence is viewed nowadays as a right, so making it harder to get frustrates some. Taking away that "right" (I know it's a priviledge but not really seen like that) would have millions up in arms about it.
valais said:
I take your points, but it could be done. Seatbelts (front then back), strict alcohol limits, all have been introduced under safety grounds and none have been repealed. Start with compulsory testing for 80+ and work down from there. My grandfather should never have been driving past about 81.
The examples you've given applied to all though so weren't phased in as such. there was a blanket application of both seatbelts and drink driving limits for all.Even if it were to be phased in and take a generation, then none of us would see any benefit for a long time, but are most likely to be directly affected in terms of having to do a retest and the potential impact on our livelihoods that could bring.
As I said before, I like the new FPNs, as they are now able to punish other drivers in a quick and efficient manner for s
t driving, rather than just me for speeding.LoonR1 said:
defblade said:
Was it a black 1.2?
She eventually pulled into the completely empty lane 1 (of 2, so no going around the outside) to let me past, with the coffee beans as I did so. Then as I moved into the empty lane 1 after passing and pulled away, in my mirrors I saw her move straight back out to lane 2 again... just WTF?
Yes it was a black Corsa 1.2. I know there's a lot of them out there but a coincidence you got the same response as me from her. She eventually pulled into the completely empty lane 1 (of 2, so no going around the outside) to let me past, with the coffee beans as I did so. Then as I moved into the empty lane 1 after passing and pulled away, in my mirrors I saw her move straight back out to lane 2 again... just WTF?
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