woman killed in rta with hired R8

[Andehh]

Haggleburyfinius said:

Welcome to birmingham!

I've said this here before but I reckon if we jailed everyone here not driving with correct insurance we would lose half of our population from certain parts of the city overnight!

The place gets more and more like a third world hell hole every year.

Yep, I agree!

[Devil2575]

s3fella said:

After one of the women he may have been able to assist, died, you mean. ....

Ffs, how is handing yourself in later, when his family and peers know what he did, ANY mitigation for his cowardly act.

Cowardly fk.

So I take it you disagree then?

How would the courts view him handing himself in rather than having to be tracked down by the Police?

[KFC]

Devil2575 said:

So I take it you disagree then?

How would the courts view him handing himself in rather than having to be tracked down by the Police?

I would hope they don't give him much credit at all. His DNA would have been all over the airbag - so undeniable that he was driving and only a matter of time until they picked him up either way.

[Starfighter]

The newspaper appears to show a picture of the car in question being driven earlier in the day. I wonder if the pisture is good enough to ID the driver / passenger against the renter and driver at the time of the incident?

[KFC]

Starfighter said:

The newspaper appears to show a picture of the car in question being driven earlier in the day. I wonder if the pisture is good enough to ID the driver / passenger against the renter and driver at the time of the incident?

Have you read the thread?

The driver handed himself in to the police. His DNA is plastered all over the airbag - so even if he changes his story now, it doesn't matter.

[agtlaw]

Starfighter said:

The newspaper appears to show a picture of the car in question being driven earlier in the day. I wonder if the pisture is good enough to ID the driver / passenger against the renter and driver at the time of the incident?

That's a photo from the hire company's website / FB page. Not earlier the same day.

Police will check ANPR camera footage and CCTV of course.

[Usget]

Devil2575 said:

s3fella said:

Fleeing the scene with two old dears trapped in their car.....? What a spineless little .

While running away is not the right thing to do he did hand himself in later.

The bloke who ran my mate over and left him for dead, whilst driving a customer's Bentley and in all probability over the limit, handed himself in the morning after too. Course, my mate would have been a goner were it not for the available helicopter and proximity to St Thomas' Hospital, but never mind...

[98elise]

KFC said:

Could he have insurance though? Renter gives permission to him, covered 3rd party by his own insurer. I know the hire company would have a fit if they realised that was happening but could it cover the driver purely from a legal point of view?

Every insurance I've ever had, has excluded all hire cars.

Can you imagine a scenario where an insurer will cover someone who is not the policy holder, driving a rented supercar, without the owners permission.

[oyster]

aka_kerrly said:

Tragic of course.

But more annoying is the vast majority of the comments on the Mail website - all the time it's the same old st from idiots who think because a car can potentially do 193mph that it should be banned.

Wake up and look at the facts, the incident appeared to happen in a 30mph limit so even a car limited to our upper speed limit of 70mph would still kill someone when travelling at an excessive speed for the conditions.

FFS when will people figure this out.

Could you figure this out?
Would this accident have likely happened if the rental car was a Focus diesel?

[heebeegeetee]

oyster said:

Could you figure this out?
Would this accident have likely happened if the rental car was a Focus diesel?

There are accidents with ordinary cars taking place all the time.

[Wozy68]

andy_s said:

Devil2575 said:

s3fella said:

Fleeing the scene with two old dears trapped in their car.....? What a spineless little .

While running away is not the right thing to do he did hand himself in later.

When sober.

The way I see L&O and the difference between right and wrong going down the swanny these days in our inner cities, I doubt he drank.

[Devil2575]

Wozy68 said:

The way I see L&O and the difference between right and wrong going down the swanny these days in our inner cities, I doubt he drank.

Ah yes, the old "the worlds going to hell" comment.

There has alwasy been crime, and people have always done bad things. It's not 'going' anywhere, IMHO of course

[Devil2575]

DonkeyApple said:

Sadly, it's the initial response of running that defines a man for what he is deep down.

Is it?

Given you don't know him and don't know the exact circumstances i'm not sure how you can say this.

Good people do bad things all the time.

[DonkeyApple]

Devil2575 said:

DonkeyApple said:

Sadly, it's the initial response of running that defines a man for what he is deep down.

Is it?

Given you don't know him and don't know the exact circumstances i'm not sure how you can say this.

Good people do bad things all the time.

I think the innate response to either stand or run is defined within and also defined by the character of your peers.

Actions under duress speak bounds.

There is little good to be found in the nature of the man who runs away leaving others behind.

Of course there may be extenuating circumstances that are not currently known. I alluded to this in my post but it has been conveniently ignored.

[12v3pot]

Devil2575 said:

Good people do bad things all the time.

Ahem... if they did bad things 'all the time', what spare time do they have to be good?

Apart from that, I'd also say that this action - running away from the scene of an accident and leaving your victim dying - pretty much wipes out any good deeds 99.9% of people might have done before.

[Devil2575]

12v3pot said:

Devil2575 said:

Good people do bad things all the time.

Ahem... if they did bad things 'all the time', what spare time do they have to be good?

You know what I mean!

I don't mean an individual good person does bad things all the time...

Everyone makes mistakes, errors of judgment, questinable decisions. Sometimes through fear, sometimes through haste, sometimes through inexperience etc.

Unless i'd sat in the court room and heard all the details about this case i'd not be so quick to write someone off.

[zcacogp]

Devil2575 said:

Everyone makes mistakes, errors of judgment, questinable decisions. Sometimes through fear, sometimes through haste, sometimes through inexperience etc.

Undoubtedly true.

The telling thing is the way that you respond to mistakes you have made. Put your hand up, say "My fault Guv'" and start to mitigate the damage (perhaps call an ambulance, in this case) or leg it like the spineless little shlt in this story did.

Scum, of the first order. Would you be so quick to defend this 'character' if it was your mum who had been killed? No, didn't think so.


Oli.

[dudleybloke]

Of course he ran.
he had to hide his gear before the police found it.

[1OS]

Wasn't surprised that this happened in Birmingham tbh. I had the misfortune of living nearby for a few years for work and the place is like a third world country. Dirty, everyone drives like s and everything seems in a perpetual state of decline. RIP to those involved, had I not had the experience of Birmingham and its universal stness I'd consider not writing the R8 guy off as fast, but in this case...

[Devil2575]

zcacogp said:

Would you be so quick to defend this 'character' if it was your mum who had been killed? No, didn't think so.

It's customary to wait for me to reply before answering on my behalf.

I don't know how I would have felt if it was a relative of mine that had been killed as i've never been in that scenario. Unless you have, then I don't imagine uyou truely know either.

To be honest though, in times of grief people don't always react in the most rational way. hence why we have a justice system that decides guilt and punsihment rather than simply asking the relatives whether or not the person is guilty and how they should be punished.

This guy could be a grade A scum bag, he may have been pissed, he may have wanted to hide his drugs, or he may have simply st himself when it happened and run. I don't know and no amount of speculation will answer that question.
Unless you have been in a situation like that no one can honestly say how they would respond. We all like to think we would do the right thing, I know I do, but unless you have been tested then you really don't know.