Police error, complaint upheld, doing me anyway! Defend?!
Discussion
carreauchompeur said:
To me, multiculturalism is all about breaking down barriers. Everyone's equal.
The monitoring form says to a subject "Here, put yourself in a box". Hence, I don't like it. And I don't like answering the question.
It's much like diversity monitoring when they ask you to define your sexuality. I don't think it's as straightforward as X, Y or Z, so I don't really like the question.
Self-defined ethnicity's a component, definitely, however in terms of blunt monitoring this could be just as easily achieved with the "officer defined ethnicity" box. Blunter, yes, but achieves the same aim of monitoring whether we're stopping a disproportionate number of BME people.
Are you white, and were you on the phone?
Are you aware there's a category for "decline to answer" that anyone can choose?The monitoring form says to a subject "Here, put yourself in a box". Hence, I don't like it. And I don't like answering the question.
It's much like diversity monitoring when they ask you to define your sexuality. I don't think it's as straightforward as X, Y or Z, so I don't really like the question.
Self-defined ethnicity's a component, definitely, however in terms of blunt monitoring this could be just as easily achieved with the "officer defined ethnicity" box. Blunter, yes, but achieves the same aim of monitoring whether we're stopping a disproportionate number of BME people.
Are you white, and were you on the phone?
White/Asian/black or a shade of each... who gives a toss!? You were on your phone and got caught. Suck it up.
I'm annoyed you are making an issue out of tbh, everyone ends up walking on tippy toes in case some ignorant self-riotous troll like you makes an issue out of to escape wrong doing!
Go to court and get slapped even harder IMO.
I'm annoyed you are making an issue out of tbh, everyone ends up walking on tippy toes in case some ignorant self-riotous troll like you makes an issue out of to escape wrong doing!
Go to court and get slapped even harder IMO.
thegoose said:
Apparently whether you're on the phone or not doesn't matter in the slightest - if you have it in your hand, you're guilty of the offence (even if, for example, you're moving it from your shirt pocket to the centre console in order that it doesn't distract you whilst driving). Seems ridiculous to me, but that's the law.
No , that is not the law .It is not unlawful in itself to hold the handset whilst driving ; it is only unlawful to hold the handset in order to use it .
The two are not the same and moving it from one place to another is not in itself unlawful .
Pontoneer said:
No , that is not the law .
It is not unlawful in itself to hold the handset whilst driving ; it is only unlawful to hold the handset in order to use it .
The two are not the same and moving it from one place to another is not in itself unlawful .
That's quite different to what the Constable and Inspector told me (separately), the phrase they used was "the offence is absolute, if someone has a phone in their hand, they're guilty of the offence".It is not unlawful in itself to hold the handset whilst driving ; it is only unlawful to hold the handset in order to use it .
The two are not the same and moving it from one place to another is not in itself unlawful .
thegoose said:
That's quite different to what the Constable and Inspector told me (separately), the phrase they used was "the offence is absolute, if someone has a phone in their hand, they're guilty of the offence".
Were you using yours?You might have missed it when someone asked earlier in the thread.
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