What's Wrong With American Cops?
Discussion
Devil2575 said:
None of those were like the situation with the Soccer mom, unless of course you're autistic and cannot read people or situations.
Plenty on this thread suggesting 'what could go wrong' when stopping a car with parents and kids in it.That proves exactly why they adopt the attitude they do. They got out of their car, were asked not to, then pulled guns and shot at the Officers. Tell me how an ability to 'read people' helped those Officers. They asked, were ignored and got shot.
Not condoning some the extreme aggression of some of the US cops on here but every time I see a programme about the British police and see how much foul-mouthed abuse they have to stand by and take from thick, ignorant, abusive yobs and p!ssheads I can't help thinking they might get more respect & be able to enforce the law more effectively if they were allowed to thump these morons.
People are allowed to abuse the police with no consequences.
Result - no respect for the police or the law...
People are allowed to abuse the police with no consequences.
Result - no respect for the police or the law...
I don't want to be able to 'thump them'.
What I would like is to be able to defend myself without the usual suspects on here and the Daily Wail calling for my head. You just have to read the posts from two particular 'contributors' on this and other threads to see the warped mentality we face.
Decent prison sentenced would be useful as well.
What I would like is to be able to defend myself without the usual suspects on here and the Daily Wail calling for my head. You just have to read the posts from two particular 'contributors' on this and other threads to see the warped mentality we face.
Decent prison sentenced would be useful as well.
Too many films. A few cops doing a personal job rather than a professional one. Red Mist. Egos fuelled by Judge Dread complex. Few bad apples. Youtube only features extraordinary events rather than normal ones, by its nature. Gun culture leads law enforcement to apply lowest common denominator principles and assumptions.
Whole bag of influences/factors.
Whole bag of influences/factors.
Devil2575 said:
Elroy Blue said:
Tell me how an ability to 'read people' helped those Officers. They asked, were ignored and got shot.
In every one of the clips you posted the body language of the driver was very different to the 'Soccer mom'. She completely ignored the cops instructions.
She showed contempt for his legal position until he threatened her with a taser at which point she went to her car.
She was pretty much a text book case of someone that will shoot a cop that you won't expect to.
All the warning signs are there.
Devil2575 said:
Snowboy said:
She was pretty much a text book case of someone that will shoot a cop that you won't expect to.
All the warning signs are there.
Is she?All the warning signs are there.
What is this assesment based on?
That's staggering
You cut out my explanation, quote my conclusion, then demand an explanation.
Snowboy said:
It might have been different, but it was still dangerous.
She completely ignored the cops instructions.
She showed contempt for his legal position until he threatened her with a taser at which point she went to her car.
She was pretty much a text book case of someone that will shoot a cop that you won't expect to.
All the warning signs are there.
This is getting rather boring - Snowboy, I think you've made this point several times already. It's already obvious from the responses you've had that not everybody agrees. Can we please move on?She completely ignored the cops instructions.
She showed contempt for his legal position until he threatened her with a taser at which point she went to her car.
She was pretty much a text book case of someone that will shoot a cop that you won't expect to.
All the warning signs are there.
Snowboy said:
It might have been different, but it was still dangerous.
She completely ignored the cops instructions.
She showed contempt for his legal position until he threatened her with a taser at which point she went to her car.
She was pretty much a text book case of someone that will shoot a cop that you won't expect to.
All the warning signs are there.
She was an argumentative arse.She completely ignored the cops instructions.
She showed contempt for his legal position until he threatened her with a taser at which point she went to her car.
She was pretty much a text book case of someone that will shoot a cop that you won't expect to.
All the warning signs are there.
She backed down as soon as she realised the gravity of the situation. I didn't see her going to her car with any intent. I saw her get back into her car once she realised he was very serious.
I was asking with what authority/knowledge you state that these are the warning signs that she was someone who could shoot a cop.
When I watched it I saw a mouthly woman, not an agressive dangerous person.
Devil2575 said:
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I was asking with what authority/knowledge you state that these are the warning signs that she was someone who could shoot a cop.
When I watched it I saw a mouthly woman, not an agressive dangerous person.
I could ask you with what authority or knowledge you state that they aren't warning signs?I was asking with what authority/knowledge you state that these are the warning signs that she was someone who could shoot a cop.
When I watched it I saw a mouthly woman, not an agressive dangerous person.
What experience or knowledge to you have about us police stops?
What background reading have you done?
Have you been to the states, encountered police officers there?
If a UK cop had forcibly arrested a woman like that in the UK I could see your point.
But this is a US cop, in the US, the situation is very different there.
Under the circumstances the taser was justified.
spitsfire said:
This is getting rather boring - Snowboy, I think you've made this point several times already. It's already obvious from the responses you've had that not everybody agrees. Can we please move on?
That would be nice.But so long as people are quoting my comments (or misquoting them) and asking me questions I'll reply.
Snowboy said:
I could ask you with what authority or knowledge you state that they aren't warning signs?
What experience or knowledge to you have about us police stops?
What background reading have you done?
Have you been to the states, encountered police officers there?
If a UK cop had forcibly arrested a woman like that in the UK I could see your point.
But this is a US cop, in the US, the situation is very different there.
Under the circumstances the taser was justified.
I don't have any experience of Police stops, but as i'm not a powerfully built company director and I moved in some fairly rough circles when i was younger I have plenty of experience of reading body language in order to assess whether i'm in danger of getting a pounding.What experience or knowledge to you have about us police stops?
What background reading have you done?
Have you been to the states, encountered police officers there?
If a UK cop had forcibly arrested a woman like that in the UK I could see your point.
But this is a US cop, in the US, the situation is very different there.
Under the circumstances the taser was justified.
You said she showed classic signs of someonw who could shoot a cop. I'm asking why when that wasn't my interpretation.
Do middle class women with kids in the car normally pull guns?
Devil2 said:
You said she showed classic signs of someonw who could shoot a cop. I'm asking why when that wasn't my interpretation.
Do middle class women with kids in the car normally pull guns?
In the UK; no.Do middle class women with kids in the car normally pull guns?
In the US; yes, it happens.
She showed all the signs of someone with no respect for the police, but only respect for a physical threat.
That sort of person might respond to a physical threat with an attack of their own.
You need to look at this from the cops perspective.
Not from a British chaps perspective.
Would your position change if you found out she had a gun in her handbag in the car?
Devil2575 said:
If she had made a move to get her gun yes. If it was just there but she made no obvious signs to get it then no.
Was there any mention of a gun in connection to this event?
But there is potentially a gun involved in every traffic stop. People will ill-intent rarely announce to law enforcement that they are armed.Was there any mention of a gun in connection to this event?
I think it quite laughable that you are able to fully interpret the intent of the lady in question - your powers of telepathy are impressive - particularly when the stimulus is a 4 year old fuzzy video tape shot through the windshield of a Crown Vic that is maybe 40 feet away from the action. What else was she thinking - can you share?
Devil2575 said:
Snowboy said:
Would your position change if you found out she had a gun in her handbag in the car?
If she had made a move to get her gun yes. If it was just there but she made no obvious signs to get it then no.Was there any mention of a gun in connection to this event?
Seems strange to me that the cops prefer to have people stay in their cars where they can't see what the hell they have in there when there is a high chance of having weapons? I would imagine that someone out of the car doing a "twirl" has got to be safer than approaching a car when someone could have an AK47 on their lap? Just saying...
Gary
It's a matter of safety strategy and mitigating attack possibility.
She should not have got out of the car in the first place. He will have instructed her to 'sit tight' or 'wait right there' while he ran her license.
If things go bad, they can be contained more effectively if the perp is in the car facing forward, rather than outside, facing the cruiser.
The cop can also use aspects of the vehicles structure to his defensive advantage.
It is a rigorously trained algorithm.
I think we've beaten this one about as flat as it will go. There is a logical rationale for the cops actions, as far as traffic stop protocol is concerned.
Lots of US cops end up dead because they ignore or get lax with the protocols - or give the benefit of the doubt, when they absolutely cannot afford to do that.
He could have caved-in of course and pandered to this woman's defiance and bravado. Where would that have taken the situation, I wonder? The longer you allow the aggressor to control the interaction, the harder it is to regain control.
She should not have got out of the car in the first place. He will have instructed her to 'sit tight' or 'wait right there' while he ran her license.
If things go bad, they can be contained more effectively if the perp is in the car facing forward, rather than outside, facing the cruiser.
The cop can also use aspects of the vehicles structure to his defensive advantage.
It is a rigorously trained algorithm.
I think we've beaten this one about as flat as it will go. There is a logical rationale for the cops actions, as far as traffic stop protocol is concerned.
Lots of US cops end up dead because they ignore or get lax with the protocols - or give the benefit of the doubt, when they absolutely cannot afford to do that.
He could have caved-in of course and pandered to this woman's defiance and bravado. Where would that have taken the situation, I wonder? The longer you allow the aggressor to control the interaction, the harder it is to regain control.
Last one from me - weve established she wasnt armed. Assuming there was never any suggestion of weapons and the exchange between the two had got verbal then so what - shes entitled to have a moan about being stopped. The Cop will always win in the end. Let her have her moan and b
h - give her a ticket and move on.
If she had got more aggressive then if he cant handle a lone mother without resorting to tasering her then i'd suggest theres something wrong with the US training. Once there isnt a gun involved it neednt be dealt with any differently to a UK traffic stop.
h - give her a ticket and move on.If she had got more aggressive then if he cant handle a lone mother without resorting to tasering her then i'd suggest theres something wrong with the US training. Once there isnt a gun involved it neednt be dealt with any differently to a UK traffic stop.
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