What's Wrong With American Cops?

[carinaman]

Abington cop resigns after sex videos are revealed said:

Police are investigating videos that appear to show Abington Police Officer Paul Januszewski masturbating in his police cruiser while on duty.

from: http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20141210/NEWS/3...

I was going to post that in the 'Police are chasing a man do you help?' thread.

I came across that while searching for an update on that chap that impersonating a police officer in a Volvo estate after alighting on this:

http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140812/News/1...

Braintree, Abington, Bridgewater? I think we should charge the US for all of the British place names they've ripped off. I am quite disappointed not to see an image of a TOWIE lookalike in a Quattroporte marked up with the crest with the sabres.

Edited by carinaman on Saturday 13th December 21:55

[4rephill]

Off topic but.....

carinaman said:

.......Braintree, Abington, Bridgewater? I think we should charge the US for all of the British place names they've ripped off.......

Edited by carinaman on Saturday 13th December 21:55

I'm pretty certain you'll find that it was settlers originally from Britain who gave these places their names rather than Americans!

[BlueMeganeII]

I would say that many years ago our police in the UK were feared to some extent but I also believe that brought with it a lot more respect than is shown towards them now.

Yes in the U.S there are a few rouges but the majority are very good and passionate about their job. Their society has gone one way and so has their police, ours the other. Which is better? No idea.

Good topic!

[Devil2575]

BlueMeganeII said:

I would say that many years ago our police in the UK were feared to some extent but I also believe that brought with it a lot more respect than is shown towards them now.

Fear does not bring respect. It may lead to compliance but that is not respect.

[mph1977]

BlueMeganeII said:

I would say that many years ago our police in the UK were feared to some extent but I also believe that brought with it a lot more respect than is shown towards them now.

Yes in the U.S there are a few rouges but the majority are very good and passionate about their job. Their society has gone one way and so has their police, ours the other. Which is better? No idea.

Good topic!

The big city depts bear up to scrutiny reasonably well as do most of the State Troopers / Highway Patrols... it's small to medium sized local police forces run by political appointees and the good ol' boy system that are the problem especially when racial /religious / minority isdues are at hand.

[carinaman]

mph1977 said:

The big city depts bear up to scrutiny reasonably well as do most of the State Troopers / Highway Patrols... it's small to medium sized local police forces run by political appointees and the good ol' boy system that are the problem especially when racial /religious / minority isdues are at hand.

A bit like our new fangled, cockamamee Police & Crime Commissioners then.

[mph1977]

carinaman said:

mph1977 said:

The big city depts bear up to scrutiny reasonably well as do most of the State Troopers / Highway Patrols... it's small to medium sized local police forces run by political appointees and the good ol' boy system that are the problem especially when racial /religious / minority isdues are at hand.

A bit like our new fangled, cockamamee Police & Crime Commissioners then.

hardly, the US elected Sheriffs and judges have a far more direct impact , it would be like voting for Ch Cons / Commissioners ...

[Rovinghawk]

BlueMeganeII said:

I would say that many years ago our police in the UK were feared to some extent but I also believe that brought with it a lot more respect than is shown towards them now.

Fear is the father of many children- foremost amongst them anger.

Confuscious?

[carinaman]

I chanced upon this link this morning having half heard of a case involving British police on the radio news this morning:

http://www.policeone.com/police-jobs-and-careers/a...

Culpepper was culpable?

[Eclassy]

Alabama police throw grandfather from India to the ground: http://youtu.be/Y_SSGa7-6BQ

59 year old Sureshbhai Patel is left paralysed after an encounter with Madison, Alabama police.

Suspected of WWB (walking while brown). Initial reports say he was "reaching for his waistband".

Edited by Eclassy on Saturday 14th February 08:12

Edited by Eclassy on Saturday 14th February 08:13

[Eclassy]

Pasco Police Shoot Man Throwing Rocks: http://youtu.be/y-0uqFTBclo

When the fleeing Antonio Zambrano-Montes turned around with a .45 calibre rock in his hand, officers who had minutes earlier shown great restraint by firing only 5 shots as he fled (they'd normally empty) were left with no option but to unleash a barrage of shots to eliminate this grave threat.

Sticks and stones........

[4rephill]

What's wrong with American cops? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_poli...

[Martin4x4]

4rephill said:

What's wrong with American cops? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_poli...

American Police manage to kill around 20 innocent Americans for every officer killed in the line of duty

Washington Post: What America’s police departments don’t want you to know

[mph1977]

Eclassy said:

Alabama police throw grandfather from India to the ground: http://youtu.be/Y_SSGa7-6BQ

59 year old Sureshbhai Patel is left paralysed after an encounter with Madison, Alabama police.

Suspected of WWB (walking while brown). Initial reports say he was "reaching for his waistband".

Edited by Eclassy on Saturday 14th February 08:12

Edited by Eclassy on Saturday 14th February 08:13

thanks to the 2nd amendment muppets which have made US police have to treat every interact as the hardest of hard stops ...

[anonymous-user]

Eclassy said:

Suspected of WWB (walking while brown).

Careful with those casual links to ethnicity etc, they didn't really work out in your topic here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Mk3Spitfire]

La Liga said:

areful with those casual links to ethnicity etc, they didn't really work out in your topic here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Epic! Made it to page 2 where I saw the drawing he made that a 5 year old would be ashamed of, and couldn't take any more!

Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Saturday 14th February 13:22

[Greendubber]

La Liga said:

areful with those casual links to ethnicity etc, they didn't really work out in your topic here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Classic eclassy.

[Eclassy]

mph1977 said:

thanks to the 2nd amendment muppets which have made US police have to treat every interact as the hardest of hard stops ...

I cant blame them but if someone is so nervous that they have to throw a handcuffed frail old man face first into the ground for as little as using his legs to scratch his balls.... Maybe such a person shouldnt have applied to be an officer in the first place. joining yhe police is optional I believe.

Think about the armed response units hin this country. I dont know what the stats are but I'd imagine the majority of their jobs would be responses to incidents where weapons are present.... How come they dont end up paralyzing/killing so many innocent people.

For what its worth, the police in Mr Patel's case were responding to a non-emergency call about a "black man who the caller had never seen before walking around in the neighbourhood".

[carinaman]

Martin4x4 said:

American Police manage to kill around 20 innocent Americans for every officer killed in the line of duty

Washington Post: What America’s police departments don’t want you to know

We'll soon catch up with them once we've spent £70 Million equipping every officer with personal protection Tasers.

[mph1977]

Eclassy said:

mph1977 said:

thanks to the 2nd amendment muppets which have made US police have to treat every interact as the hardest of hard stops ...

I cant blame them but if someone is so nervous that they have to throw a handcuffed frail old man face first into the ground for as little as using his legs to scratch his balls.... Maybe such a person shouldnt have applied to be an officer in the first place. joining yhe police is optional I believe.

Think about the armed response units hin this country. I dont know what the stats are but I'd imagine the majority of their jobs would be responses to incidents where weapons are present.... How come they dont end up paralyzing/killing so many innocent people.

For what its worth, the police in Mr Patel's case were responding to a non-emergency call about a "black man who the caller had never seen before walking around in the neighbourhood".

firstly the UK model for use of force is rather different to the US model - the US model is still very much shoot first and ask questions later.

secondly while some of the big city Forces in the US are high performing services and up there with the best of the rest of the world , a lot of the US is small forces , managed by political appointees and suffering from significant nepotism

despite the allegations made aobut the standards of education and training of UK police officers, there are a hell of a lot of Officers with level 3 and HE qualifications NOT on the fast track schemes , PIRT is none trivial not to mention the standards required across basic training and during probation aside from the CKP etc etc and other academic accreditation of training ( echoing the moves over the past 50 or so years in so many other professional jobs)