What's Wrong With American Cops?

[anonymous-user]

A coin is misleading as it implies 50/50. This is clearly not the ratio of bad to good. Given a large enough sample size, it's easy to find bad examples and present whichever picture one wants.

So what's is the bad to good ratio?

- 1/100?
- 1/1000?
- 1/10000000?

The first is very concerning, the latter, not so much.

[Snowboy]

Rovinghawk said:

streaky said:

Over 22 years ago. What's your point in today's world.

The point is that there's 2 sides to every coin.

Yes, there is.
It's just a shame so much of the media only reports the bad side.

I don't particularly like the 'coin' reference.
It implies the two sides are the same size, which is patently untrue.

Also, those you tube clips do tend to miss a lot of the background to the events and use clever editing to show the police in the worst light possible.
Nobody tends to record the police doing a good job.

[9mm]

Stating the bleeding obvious, the US is different and so is the culture. Whatever the reason, the move to violence as the solution to a problem is rather rapid and you see that in answering back to an immigration official at the airport all the way through to foreign policy.

[Snowboy]

As far as I'm aware it's a difference in basic police philosophy


In the UK the police have their power by the concent of the public.
In the UK the police are empowered by the Government.

That is to say;
The UK police serve the public, the US police protect the state.

All that said; I'ne never had a problem with a US cop, they have always been friendly.
The only problem that comes close is with a patronising immigration official.

[Rovinghawk]

La Liga said:

A coin is misleading as it implies 50/50. This is clearly not the ratio of bad to good.

May I ask how you "clearly" know this? What is the ratio?

[Snowboy]

Rovinghawk said:

La Liga said:

A coin is misleading as it implies 50/50. This is clearly not the ratio of bad to good.

May I ask how you "clearly" know this? What is the ratio?

Well, there are probably a few million police interactions each day in the US.
There are a few dozen YouTube clips of 'bad policing'.
It's not hard to do the maths.

You can find stories about bad policing if you look for them.
Normally posted by petty criminals, freemen on the land or other trouble makers.

Or you can look for good police stories.

It's the internet, you can always find what your looking for.

[carinaman]

You could get paid to write stuff like that as a Professional Standards Assessment Officer.

Edited by carinaman on Monday 7th October 12:20

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

May I ask how you "clearly" know this? What is the ratio?

Because every other interaction with them doesn't resulting in a beating / arrest / being shot.

[Justin Cyder]

Elroy Blue said:

People don't video Police doing a good job. You Tube isn't the font of all knowledge.

Indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_JtFBnFS1Y

[Rovinghawk]

carinaman said:

You could get paid to write stuff like that as a Professional Standards Assessment Officer.

Not until he learns the difference between "your" & "you're".

Snowboy- it's "consent, btw- not "concent".

Edited by Rovinghawk on Monday 7th October 13:47

[Rovinghawk]

La Liga said:

Rovinghawk said:

May I ask how you "clearly" know this? What is the ratio?

Because every other interaction with them doesn't resulting in a beating / arrest / being shot.

You say what the ratio 'clearly' isn't. Could you please tell us what it actually is?

[anonymous-user]

10334.2346/1.

[Elroy Blue]

Shame another thread has been trolled to the point of ruin. No surprise that it's by usual suspects.

[carinaman]

Rovinghawk said:

carinaman said:

You could get paid to write stuff like that as a Professional Standards Assessment Officer.

Not until he learns the difference between "your" & "you're".

Snowboy- it's "consent, btw- not "concent".

And section 29.

[Red Devil]

carinaman said:

Not a cop and probably not a leg man. Sorry if it's been posted already:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26f_1371005234

Quite a bit of fall out over that incident
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/21557505/cover-up-al...
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/fam...

Seems harassment of women is par for the course in that jurisdiction.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/wom...

The utterly disgusting lack of interest shown by the Court Master has, quite rightly, led to her being given the sack.
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/22597517/i-team-hear...

Thankfully I have no experience to draw upon but, as far as I know, no judge over here would behave in such a fashion.

Justin Cyder said:

Elroy Blue said:

People don't video Police doing a good job. You Tube isn't the font of all knowledge.

Indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_JtFBnFS1Y

That clip makes me chuckle every time. The bit about threatening to ticket him for littering is comedy gold.

[Tannedbaldhead]

A lot of defenders of the US law enforcers try to pin the blame on disgruntled petty criminals and political activists posted badly edited incidents only showing part of the incident. Have they not noticed that quite a high proportion of these clips are actually news clips and subject to journalistic checks and balances.

Can a defender of American Law Enforcement defend or explain incidents like these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt1L0Kyo3pk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSsGrIf8F0M


And as many police and sheriff's departments are now operating a ex service personnel policy and training like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt1L0Kyo3pk is it any wonder incidents like we are seeing are occurring. (would like to apologise in advance for the clip title).

[Elroy Blue]

I could post up numerous clips of a Police Dept giving up their time and money to provide sporting facilities for disabled kids. They do it every year. But that wouldn't fit with the ACAB ideology of the trolls on here.

[Tannedbaldhead]

Elroy Blue said:

I could post up numerous clips of a Police Dept giving up their time and money to provide sporting facilities for disabled kids. They do it every year. But that wouldn't fit with the ACAB ideology of the trolls on here.

I wouldn't call it trolling it's a genuine bewilderment at how confrontational and militaristic American police officers are becoming and also wouldn't call my ideology ACAB. I don't feel this thread reflect badly on UK law enforcers who are a very different kettle of fish. I've accepted that it is both probably a small proportion of US cops taking it to these extremes and that many US cops will make huge contributions to their community. In return I'd like someone with your insight to provide some constructive criticism of what's going on with what seems to be a fair number of incidents and commenting on contributions to this behaviour such as training, culture, psychological pressure etc.

[XCP]

Elroy Blue said:

I could post up numerous clips of a Police Dept giving up their time and money to provide sporting facilities for disabled kids. They do it every year. But that wouldn't fit with the ACAB ideology of the trolls on here.

Quite.
Or we could give similar examples from this country. Or I could name 2 PC's who got the QPM for outstanding work. Not a lot of point though. Good news is not news around here.

[Snowboy]

It's not a case of defending the US police as such.
It's just pointing out that these are isolated incidents.

The way some people are speaking it's as if these things are happening in the majority of police encounters.
They aren't.

Someone has found a dozon or so clips and you're using that as a basis to criticise the entire police force and several million police encounters and police officers.

If you want to criticise that individual event then most people will agree.
But if you try and use those isolated incidents to paint a picture of an entire police force then most people will point out you're talking bks.

Edited by Snowboy on Monday 7th October 17:56