What's Wrong With American Cops?
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
There are two aspects to this: the stop on the street and the death.
From the reports it would appear she hanged herself. This might not be the case but if it is, then there are circumstances that might suggest lack of care. The equivalent of 'our' custody officer has to take account of a prisoner's conduct at prisoner reception and then make a judgment of how close to supervise. It is a job that requires experience and resources. In this case, if the suggestion that it was 90 mins between visits then there is a case of lack of supervision on the face of it, but a hanging takes less than a minute.
The scenario on the street would suggest to me a certain lack of experience in dealing with people in a confrontational situation. He seemed to have ample opportunity to back down but decided not to. Not a good move. It is odd as a police officer in such circs can always come out on top by issuing a ticket.
As I say, two aspects.
This seems fair. I think the issue here is that she should never really have been arrested and locked up in the first place. From the reports it would appear she hanged herself. This might not be the case but if it is, then there are circumstances that might suggest lack of care. The equivalent of 'our' custody officer has to take account of a prisoner's conduct at prisoner reception and then make a judgment of how close to supervise. It is a job that requires experience and resources. In this case, if the suggestion that it was 90 mins between visits then there is a case of lack of supervision on the face of it, but a hanging takes less than a minute.
The scenario on the street would suggest to me a certain lack of experience in dealing with people in a confrontational situation. He seemed to have ample opportunity to back down but decided not to. Not a good move. It is odd as a police officer in such circs can always come out on top by issuing a ticket.
As I say, two aspects.
Derek Smith said:
Sorry to quote you. I thought we were talking about this incident.
You don't have to apologise. 
1. The police in the US originally released a video of the stop that had been hacked about.
2. You yourself have had a thread here entitled 'How the press mislead you and I', or something similar.
3. I could be comparing how the police in the US released a hacked about video from the roadside stop with attempts by the press to mislead the public. There are countless examples of the press misleading the public and that's something that you yourself has complained about.
4. I made a comparison with the Christopher Jefferies case in Bristol? I could be trying to say that just as the police fiddle about with evidence to cover up their own failures, crimes and deaths in custody that the police can also fiddle about with evidence or how it's presented in an attempt to seek a desired outcome whether that outcome is correct or not.
5. Did the US police release an edited version of the video from the police car in an attempt to mislead the public, just as the police and the press may have worked together to mislead the public over former Teacher and Landlord Christopher Jefferies being an odd ball that could have killed Joanna Yeates?
I won't number this point, but why would the US police release an edited video from a police car when it related to a death in custody?
What was to be gained by releasing an edited video?
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 23 July 16:27
It wasnt an edited video. There were technical problems during the upload.
The hard drive of the police cruiser which was parked in such a way that it would have captured Ms Bland's attack on Officer Encinia, was full and didnt record.
The officer actually broke no laws. In Texas, you can be arrested for any traffic violation except speeding. Although he had already given her a warning and she was signing it, he is allowed by Texas law to change his mind.
The hard drive of the police cruiser which was parked in such a way that it would have captured Ms Bland's attack on Officer Encinia, was full and didnt record.
The officer actually broke no laws. In Texas, you can be arrested for any traffic violation except speeding. Although he had already given her a warning and she was signing it, he is allowed by Texas law to change his mind.
carinaman said:
Thanks Eclassy.
I was unaware that there was a technical issue, though I have seen stuff online about the first video 'looping'.
Was the first video released with a disclaimer saying that it had technical issues?
It appears as if they didn't realise until it was pointed out to them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33627708I was unaware that there was a technical issue, though I have seen stuff online about the first video 'looping'.
Was the first video released with a disclaimer saying that it had technical issues?
La Liga said:
t appears as if they didn't realise until it was pointed out to them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33627708
Thank you La Liga.I'm being idealistic to think that the high level software used to transfer evidential files between different devices could have some error checking in it to flag up dodgy transfers?
She didn't have much Max Headroom when her head was being held against the ground.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 23 July 17:07
Derek Smith said:
Sorry to quote you. I thought we were talking about this incident.
I'm glad I got Christopher Jefferies in there after the opening gag on:http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b062n1fc
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/police-release-b...
Punter shot in the head by police in Cinncinati.
Pulled over for not having a front plate (not an illegal in the state). Officer standing by side of car asks driver to take of seat belt. Driver says what you even stop me for. Driver starts car and cop unholsters and immdiately puts one in his head.
Of the four cops that have been indicted for murder/manslaughter this year, 3 only got indicted due to video evidence. Even the prosecutor in this case said they would have believed the officers account if video didnt exist.
Punter shot in the head by police in Cinncinati.
Pulled over for not having a front plate (not an illegal in the state). Officer standing by side of car asks driver to take of seat belt. Driver says what you even stop me for. Driver starts car and cop unholsters and immdiately puts one in his head.
Of the four cops that have been indicted for murder/manslaughter this year, 3 only got indicted due to video evidence. Even the prosecutor in this case said they would have believed the officers account if video didnt exist.
Edited by Eclassy on Wednesday 29th July 18:55
Eclassy said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/police-release-b...
Punter shot in the head by police in Cinncinati.
Pulled over for not having a front plate (not an illegal in the state). Officer standing by side of car asks driver to take of seat belt. Driver says what you even stop me for. Driver starts car and cop unholsters and immdiately puts one in his head.
Of the four cops that have been indicted for murder/manslaughter this year, 3 only got indicted due to video evidence. Even the prosecutor in this case said they would have believed the officers account if video didnt exist.
Saw that on the news. Horrific.Punter shot in the head by police in Cinncinati.
Pulled over for not having a front plate (not an illegal in the state). Officer standing by side of car asks driver to take of seat belt. Driver says what you even stop me for. Driver starts car and cop unholsters and immdiately puts one in his head.
Of the four cops that have been indicted for murder/manslaughter this year, 3 only got indicted due to video evidence. Even the prosecutor in this case said they would have believed the officers account if video didnt exist.
Edited by Eclassy on Wednesday 29th July 18:55
The police office simply executed him. No other way of describing it.
The officer then tried to claim the guy attempted to escape in his car and 'dragged' him along the ground leaving no choice but to shoot.
The video completely contradicts that. The only time the car accelerates away is when the suspect is shot in the head and his foot slumps on the gas pedal.
Devil2575 said:
An interesting view on the problem with US cops.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02r6snh
Worth a listen if you're interested.
A serious, insightful, and balanced look at what underlies this sad problem, which in turn signifies deeper, more pervasive problems. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02r6snh
Worth a listen if you're interested.
Thank you for the link.
https://youtu.be/_Js2liSrePU
Murder of Zach Hammond.
Killed over a dime bag. Over a f
king joint. Something thats legal in many states. Are there no criminals in that state that the police have so much time to set up a sting operation to catch an 18 year old selling a bag of weed.
https://youtu.be/ECnkuJ43oTo
Roid rage. All this violence just because a student refused to leave class. How do teachers in this country manage without any nazis stationed on site? The only time a cop should be on school premises is when there is violence (not normal playground fights).
Murder of Zach Hammond.
Killed over a dime bag. Over a f
king joint. Something thats legal in many states. Are there no criminals in that state that the police have so much time to set up a sting operation to catch an 18 year old selling a bag of weed.https://youtu.be/ECnkuJ43oTo
Roid rage. All this violence just because a student refused to leave class. How do teachers in this country manage without any nazis stationed on site? The only time a cop should be on school premises is when there is violence (not normal playground fights).
He didnt need to shoot at all. This was over a bag of wood! There was no threat to life. A whole lot of armed people at Bundy Ranch and the cops/feds just stand by and later retreat.
A teenager selling a bag of weed.... bang,bang, 2 in the head.
https://youtu.be/bD61YFxUga4
A teenager selling a bag of weed.... bang,bang, 2 in the head.
https://youtu.be/bD61YFxUga4
If anyone fancies some depressing/infuriating viewing... Filming Cops
vsonix said:
If anyone fancies some depressing/infuriating viewing... Filming Cops
It's relentless: Autistic kids getting thumped, tazed for walking away awkwardly from shouty cops coz his shirt wasn't tucked in, jogger thumped for failing to comply to an instruction she didn't hear as she was wearing earphones, old Indian man beaten near to death as he couldn't understand an officer's instructions, deaf people thumped and tazed for failing to comply (duh!!!), wheelchair users thumped for not standing up when instructed, kid thumped because of a ruling that slogans on t-shirts were deemed as an unauthorised protest (he got his pal to take pictures of him standing next to a cop whilst wearing a t-shirt that said "illegal protest, breaking the law and I know it".) And the dogs. So many friendly dogs shot by cops. On one occasion not only did they shoot a dog but a senior officer visited the victim and warned that if any of the family looked at a cop the wrong way they'd be shot too.
He then stood his ground and explained that as he policed an area where everyone had a gun. Then he said that if his dog got shot he might just get "sore" enough to sort out the person who did it. As police chief he therefore had to make sure this didn't happen to his officer. If my officer had shot a friendly dog I'd be quiet happy for him to be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his career.
Nasty country. Nasty Police forces
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