What's Wrong With American Cops?
Discussion
La Liga said:
hich country and which police are you talking about? Which riots are you talking about? There are big differences between the US and UK, for example.
England, and the only riots we've had since the terrorists were White and called Seamus. Obviously. Not really arsed about if Americans kill blacks, they're way more messed up and that's not really my concern. What bothers me is how few police get held accountable for their actions in this country, especially in cases like that which started the riots, as they (essentially) found him guilty but still let him go, just because he's a copper.
I mean, FFS!
Calletrece said:
England, and the only riots we've had since the terrorists were White and called Seamus. Obviously.
The last riots we had were the London ones after Mark Duggan. Is that what you're trying to say? Calletrece said:
Not really arsed about if Americans kill blacks, they're way more messed up and that's not really my concern.
Nice! Calletrece said:
What bothers me is how few police get held accountable for their actions in this country, especially in cases like that which started the riots, as they (essentially) found him guilty but still let him go, just because he's a copper.
Which riots (post-Duggan?) and who was "essentially" found guilty and let go? La Liga said:
The risk levels to the police are on a different level to what we have here.
I'm no expert on US policing, but it looks like a lot of the problems come from not being able to escalate and de-escalate in line with a changing situation. It's almost as if once they're at a 10 they must remain at a 10.
I can't find it but I read a good article on US policing, and in particular the interaction between:-I'm no expert on US policing, but it looks like a lot of the problems come from not being able to escalate and de-escalate in line with a changing situation. It's almost as if once they're at a 10 they must remain at a 10.
- the gun-culture over there (and the stresses that has to put on a serving officer's endochrine system - far more so than in Europe);
- the body's natural fight/flight adrenaline reaction, particularly under repeated exposure as above (google adrenal shock);
- the lack of training / lack of follow-up training regarding self-control / impulse management; and
- the increasingly paranoid us-vs-them culture in most US police forces.
...which doesn't come to a single conclusion, but does strongly suggest that the US Police, as a body-politic, absolutely refuse to accept there's an issue, so will both cover-up events and will not address/modify training in how their cops should act. Until they do, this won't change...and every subsequent event is just polarising opinions even more - the Police feel more isolated/victimised by the liberal elements in society, society feels more ill-served by corrupt police...and no-one is stepping-in to mediate and get both sides to admit there's a problem...
havoc said:
La Liga said:
The risk levels to the police are on a different level to what we have here.
I'm no expert on US policing, but it looks like a lot of the problems come from not being able to escalate and de-escalate in line with a changing situation. It's almost as if once they're at a 10 they must remain at a 10.
I can't find it but I read a good article on US policing, and in particular the interaction between:-I'm no expert on US policing, but it looks like a lot of the problems come from not being able to escalate and de-escalate in line with a changing situation. It's almost as if once they're at a 10 they must remain at a 10.
- the gun-culture over there (and the stresses that has to put on a serving officer's endochrine system - far more so than in Europe);
- the body's natural fight/flight adrenaline reaction, particularly under repeated exposure as above (google adrenal shock);
- the lack of training / lack of follow-up training regarding self-control / impulse management; and
- the increasingly paranoid us-vs-them culture in most US police forces.
...which doesn't come to a single conclusion, but does strongly suggest that the US Police, as a body-politic, absolutely refuse to accept there's an issue, so will both cover-up events and will not address/modify training in how their cops should act. Until they do, this won't change...and every subsequent event is just polarising opinions even more - the Police feel more isolated/victimised by the liberal elements in society, society feels more ill-served by corrupt police...and no-one is stepping-in to mediate and get both sides to admit there's a problem...
Look at the comments on any you-tube clip and it's almost beyond credibility what they will tolerate. Anyone who doesn't comply absolutely and immediately deserves anything they get.
Anyone deaf, autistic, wearing headphones or unable to understand English who gets beaten or shot is unlucky but then so is the officer as "how was he to know?".
Cops shoot a dog and the chief of police visits the poor owner not to sympathise but to warn the guy "if he looks the wrong way at a cop he'll be shot". The cop supporting public state this is common sense as in a country where everyone has a gun cops can't afford to tolerate someone being that sore at them and need to act in the interests of officer safety.
If a cop shot a dog here the officer's safety wouldn't be much of a issue (in fact most of UK public were disappointed when that policeman made an arse of killing himself after locking is dogs in a policevan on a summers day leaving them to die).
Graphic content. Some viewers may find the videos disturbing but they are all on Youtube so cant be that bad.
https://youtu.be/xxvINcEdLRE
This shooting of Gilbert Flores has just been ruled justified and both cops can now go back on the streets to serve and protect.
https://youtu.be/arMYoURnAdg
This kick which broke Lateef Dickerson's jaw was also deemed justified by a jury who had access to all the evidence. The cop will soon be back on the streets to serve and protect.
https://youtu.be/ij5TZuohoRg
Man armed with a knife shot by 10 officers as he 'lunges' at one of them. 25/30 shots? Same way Lacquan McDonald lunged at police.
https://youtu.be/-M8oIVfegHY
And yesterday LA County Sheriffs shot and killed an armed man as he walked away from them. He refused to follow orders. They then continue to unload as he tries to crawl to safety. The officers were in great fear for their lives as you can see them taking cover behind cars and not just standing there in the middle of the street shooting at a man crawling away.
https://youtu.be/akvtGcH_djs
A new one I happened across. Its been going on for years! I have seen ISIS videos on Liveleak and very few are worse than this.
https://youtu.be/xxvINcEdLRE
This shooting of Gilbert Flores has just been ruled justified and both cops can now go back on the streets to serve and protect.
https://youtu.be/arMYoURnAdg
This kick which broke Lateef Dickerson's jaw was also deemed justified by a jury who had access to all the evidence. The cop will soon be back on the streets to serve and protect.
https://youtu.be/ij5TZuohoRg
Man armed with a knife shot by 10 officers as he 'lunges' at one of them. 25/30 shots? Same way Lacquan McDonald lunged at police.
https://youtu.be/-M8oIVfegHY
And yesterday LA County Sheriffs shot and killed an armed man as he walked away from them. He refused to follow orders. They then continue to unload as he tries to crawl to safety. The officers were in great fear for their lives as you can see them taking cover behind cars and not just standing there in the middle of the street shooting at a man crawling away.
https://youtu.be/akvtGcH_djs
A new one I happened across. Its been going on for years! I have seen ISIS videos on Liveleak and very few are worse than this.
Edited by Eclassy on Sunday 13th December 13:33
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/sandra-bl...
Seems the officer that stopped the late Sandra Bland is to be done for telling untruths.
Seems the officer that stopped the late Sandra Bland is to be done for telling untruths.
As a European I find myself very conflicted. I have spent a great deal of time in North America and have had the odd speeding offence over the years.
Considering the 200 million guns here, cops think you are armed automatically.
The way to respond to a stop is:
(1) do what you are told...i.e. stay in the car, exit the car etc
(2) hands visible - top of the wheel until told to remove them
(3) No sudden movements
I have been there and once the officer can see what you are doing, it becomes quite OK. I have never had a bad experience despite my various speeding stops in various states. Most of them are actually pretty decent. Yes, I know form the vids, hard to believe, but my personal experience was that they used a lot of judgement in deciding whether to ticket you. Very rarely did I meet a caricature movie redneck.
Considering the 200 million guns here, cops think you are armed automatically.
The way to respond to a stop is:
(1) do what you are told...i.e. stay in the car, exit the car etc
(2) hands visible - top of the wheel until told to remove them
(3) No sudden movements
I have been there and once the officer can see what you are doing, it becomes quite OK. I have never had a bad experience despite my various speeding stops in various states. Most of them are actually pretty decent. Yes, I know form the vids, hard to believe, but my personal experience was that they used a lot of judgement in deciding whether to ticket you. Very rarely did I meet a caricature movie redneck.
RDMcG said:
As a European I find myself very conflicted. I have spent a great deal of time in North America and have had the odd speeding offence over the years.
Considering the 200 million guns here, cops think you are armed automatically.
The way to respond to a stop is:
(1) do what you are told...i.e. stay in the car, exit the car etc
(2) hands visible - top of the wheel until told to remove them
(3) No sudden movements
I have been there and once the officer can see what you are doing, it becomes quite OK. I have never had a bad experience despite my various speeding stops in various states. Most of them are actually pretty decent. Yes, I know form the vids, hard to believe, but my personal experience was that they used a lot of judgement in deciding whether to ticket you. Very rarely did I meet a caricature movie redneck.
what were you driving and what is your ethnicity and dress style >Considering the 200 million guns here, cops think you are armed automatically.
The way to respond to a stop is:
(1) do what you are told...i.e. stay in the car, exit the car etc
(2) hands visible - top of the wheel until told to remove them
(3) No sudden movements
I have been there and once the officer can see what you are doing, it becomes quite OK. I have never had a bad experience despite my various speeding stops in various states. Most of them are actually pretty decent. Yes, I know form the vids, hard to believe, but my personal experience was that they used a lot of judgement in deciding whether to ticket you. Very rarely did I meet a caricature movie redneck.
RDMcG said:
As a European I find myself very conflicted. I have spent a great deal of time in North America and have had the odd speeding offence over the years.
Considering the 200 million guns here, cops think you are armed automatically.
The way to respond to a stop is:
(1) do what you are told...i.e. stay in the car, exit the car etc
(2) hands visible - top of the wheel until told to remove them
(3) No sudden movements
I have been there and once the officer can see what you are doing, it becomes quite OK. I have never had a bad experience despite my various speeding stops in various states. Most of them are actually pretty decent. Yes, I know form the vids, hard to believe, but my personal experience was that they used a lot of judgement in deciding whether to ticket you. Very rarely did I meet a caricature movie redneck.
Pretty much my experience too, I was only stopped twice, once for speeding which I got a warning for, once for overtaking a parked fire-engine which had its lights on (it was parked outside the fire station not at a call so I was disappointed to get a ticket for that)Considering the 200 million guns here, cops think you are armed automatically.
The way to respond to a stop is:
(1) do what you are told...i.e. stay in the car, exit the car etc
(2) hands visible - top of the wheel until told to remove them
(3) No sudden movements
I have been there and once the officer can see what you are doing, it becomes quite OK. I have never had a bad experience despite my various speeding stops in various states. Most of them are actually pretty decent. Yes, I know form the vids, hard to believe, but my personal experience was that they used a lot of judgement in deciding whether to ticket you. Very rarely did I meet a caricature movie redneck.
I did all the right things, hands where the officer could see them until he told me to produce my documents.
2ono said:
Maybe if these people did what they were told, when they were told, they wouldn't get shot.....
People, including myself, don't like being told what to do additionally if they are doing something illegal they may feel it is worth the risk to run, fight, whatever.If someone has a gun and just might shoot me, I am inclined to go along with doing what they say.
Corpulent Tosser said:
People, including myself, don't like being told what to do additionally if they are doing something illegal they may feel it is worth the risk to run, fight, whatever.
If someone has a gun and just might shoot me, I am inclined to go along with doing what they say.
Precisely.Giving a smart remark to a police officer is not, in fact ,smart. Ignoring instructions is dangerous.If someone has a gun and just might shoot me, I am inclined to go along with doing what they say.
carinaman said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/sandra-bl...
Seems the officer that stopped the late Sandra Bland is to be done for telling untruths.
Their idea of Perjury obviously differs from ours.Seems the officer that stopped the late Sandra Bland is to be done for telling untruths.
Just noticed comments on a video linked by the OP on the first page say that this chap has died in the last week or so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDerqyvUZeQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDerqyvUZeQ
Corpulent Tosser said:
2ono said:
Maybe if these people did what they were told, when they were told, they wouldn't get shot.....
People, including myself, don't like being told what to do additionally if they are doing something illegal they may feel it is worth the risk to run, fight, whatever.If someone has a gun and just might shoot me, I am inclined to go along with doing what they say.
The most rabid supporters of law and order would say "unfortunate collateral damage where compliance to officers is an expected absolute". I'd day beat the s
t out of someone deaf coz he didn't do what he was told and you should be locked up. Am I being unreasonable?Not sure if this has been covered on here yet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...
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