POLICE...... False evidence
Discussion
That's great news Evo, I've not posted on here before because I'm not qualified to. Credit is due to those who are, and who have!
Much credit should also go to our PH BiB's who have given their valuable advice to you without favour, more power to them I say!
It brings into focus in my view, of "Bad Cops" and "Good Cops." Good cops still exist.
"Bobby's" that take their position seriously, I applaud them, some are my close friends. But, the bad ones? Should be treated twice as badly as the general public, for "they" should know better! Speeding included.
Much credit should also go to our PH BiB's who have given their valuable advice to you without favour, more power to them I say!
It brings into focus in my view, of "Bad Cops" and "Good Cops." Good cops still exist.
"Bobby's" that take their position seriously, I applaud them, some are my close friends. But, the bad ones? Should be treated twice as badly as the general public, for "they" should know better! Speeding included.
IOLAIRE said:
Well done Jon, a truly excellent result.
Can I just caution you about putting too much faith in the legal system.
The credit here must go both to the wisdom of the judge on the day and the obvious skill and dedication of your lawyer.
The legal system here once again failed all of us by attempting to prosecute a motorist using highly questionable evidence.
That has nothing whatever to do with the police; it is the sole responsibility of the prosecution services, they make the decision to prosecute, the police are powerless without them.
You need to demand an explanation from the CPS as to why they proceeded to trial, and I sincerely hope your lawyer is pressing very strongly for expenses and compensation.
It is a *lot* to do with the Police ; round our way they collude. The Police fabricated the evidence ; the Police took the case to the CPS.
IOLAIRE said:
Well done Jon, a truly excellent result.
Can I just caution you about putting too much faith in the legal system.
The credit here must go both to the wisdom of the judge on the day and the obvious skill and dedication of your lawyer.
The legal system here once again failed all of us by attempting to prosecute a motorist using highly questionable evidence.
That has nothing whatever to do with the police; it is the sole responsibility of the prosecution services, they make the decision to prosecute, the police are powerless without them.
You need to demand an explanation from the CPS as to why they proceeded to trial, and I sincerely hope your lawyer is pressing very strongly for expenses and compensation.
Hi there,
Thanks for your comments and advice.
What i meant was the magistrates more than anyone else.
My lawyer put a hell of an effort into this case for what is called by these officors, i minor driving offence. A careless driving code on my clean licence isnt very minor to me.
He pulled statements to bits, he did a truely outstanding job as far as im concerned. Any persons requireing a lawyer in the north East area, Durham and Newcastle area, i would seriously consider using his firm. Not sure if im allowed to post the name or not
GRIERSON, SHAW & Co.
Thanks
Jon
autismuk said:
Well done Jon, a truly excellent result.
Can I just caution you about putting too much faith in the legal system.
The credit here must go both to the wisdom of the judge on the day and the obvious skill and dedication of your lawyer.
The legal system here once again failed all of us by attempting to prosecute a motorist using highly questionable evidence.
That has nothing whatever to do with the police; it is the sole responsibility of the prosecution services, they make the decision to prosecute, the police are powerless without them.
You need to demand an explanation from the CPS as to why they proceeded to trial, and I sincerely hope your lawyer is pressing very strongly for expenses and compensation.
It is a *lot* to do with the Police ; round our way they collude. The Police fabricated the evidence ; the Police took the case to the CPS.
There is absolutely no doubt that the police caused Jon's misery in the first place, and clearly colluded to enforce their ill will or whatever on him.
They are however, powerless to prosecute.
All prosecution in this country is carried out by licensed prosecutors who have absolute autonomy on the decision to take a case to trial.
It is the prosecution who frequently and indiscriminately utilise the powers and resources of the police to unashamedly construct a case against an accused, a great many of which are quite clearly innocent.
My archives are bulging with instances of outrageous incompetence by the Fiscal and the CPS; in virtually every case I have ever been involved in, there has been either incompetence, corruption or sheer bloody mindedness on the part of the prosecutors.
Truth and justice very seldom feature in their decisions to prosecute, decisions are taken on the probability of a result.
That is one reason why the Appeal Courts are so overloaded.
First of all, mein lieber Evo... glad justice prevailed for you und hope things work out for you from now on.
It is... lot of charges could be brought....I think...
contempt of court, perjury,deception, perverting course of justice ... for starters.
But question remains ... what action will the police take against these bullying officers as they are the ones we do not want.
Recruiting needs to be more streamlined. Read of WPC in Manchester paper. She had been unemployed und then applied successfully to join the police force. Only she neglected to sign off, und continued claim benefits paid into bank account directly...
Her excuse was that she had been in state of despair until getting taken on by the police "und she forgot to sign off"
She has now lost her job for this.....
Which brings in another issue regarding recent stories of GMP police regarding the insurance dodger and drink driver who kept their jobs..
bjwoods said:
Surely providing false evidence to a court is a crime in itself...
Is anyone going to prosecute the police involved.
As it seem to be malicious, vindicative and a crime.
B
It is... lot of charges could be brought....I think...
contempt of court, perjury,deception, perverting course of justice ... for starters.
But question remains ... what action will the police take against these bullying officers as they are the ones we do not want.
Recruiting needs to be more streamlined. Read of WPC in Manchester paper. She had been unemployed und then applied successfully to join the police force. Only she neglected to sign off, und continued claim benefits paid into bank account directly...
Her excuse was that she had been in state of despair until getting taken on by the police "und she forgot to sign off" She has now lost her job for this.....
Which brings in another issue regarding recent stories of GMP police regarding the insurance dodger and drink driver who kept their jobs..
Well done evo !
Glad to see justice has prevailed.
I would add a camera in addition to the voice recorder for your car. I carry one anyway in case of an accident. Carry a note book of your own as well, in case you're stopped in the future.
As other have said, I would ask your lawyer to push for full costs and appropriate compensation for you, and also for charges to be brought against those who fabricated the evidence
Glad to see justice has prevailed.
I would add a camera in addition to the voice recorder for your car. I carry one anyway in case of an accident. Carry a note book of your own as well, in case you're stopped in the future.
As other have said, I would ask your lawyer to push for full costs and appropriate compensation for you, and also for charges to be brought against those who fabricated the evidence
turbobloke said:
A fitting result for you all round... Now you have been vilified...
You may have meant that gone in terms of some of the posts that he got on here, but after that outcome i suspect justified or verified or exonerated would be appreciated more under the circumstances
I still think it's vindicated.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
TripleS said:
gone said:
A fitting result for you all round... Now you have been vilified...
You may have meant that gone in terms of some of the posts that he got on here, but after that outcome i suspect justified or verified or exonerated would be appreciated more under the circumstances
I still think it's vindicated.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
You can think what you like. The word used was vilified which means defamatory comments against him. He may well have been vindicated of his offence but he has been vilified as well.
Thanks for the lessons
I knew it would hapen if you had the evidence 
hasn't been very forthcoming with his congratulations
briandavison said:
"I definitely agree with everyone's advice about Lawyer first, papers second. The media could be a useful tool, only if it doesn't harm your case."
I'm no lawyer but I think that giving a case big media attention may well have have an effect on a fair trial won't it?
That may well be the case, but now that the court case is over surely this should be reported in the press? I would have thought that at least the local media would want to publish such a clear case of harassment leading up to acquital and am surprised that there has been no link given yet for a local rags shock horror expose.
Evo - have you contacted the press yet, or are you concerned that publicly embarrassing the cops concerned will only make their attitude worse? Congratulations by the way - bet that first
tasted good.....
Several years ago I was caught up in a complete fabrication.
At a slightly staggered Junction there was a problem with people coming out into the right -hand lane where the road widened about 5 car lengths form the junction, then cutting over to the left to go straight on.
At a council meeting the matter ws raised and the Police asked to take action.
I used the junction - I used to turn right there.
A few days later theres a police van there very visible & guess what - eeveryone was behaving themselves. Failed operation? sucessful in the behaviour but not convictions. I discovered plan B as I got to the junction. Batch processing of lies. (It's ok I can call them that - the court agreed).
sitting number 4 in the row of 5 in the right turn lane
along comes plod and instructs me to turn right (yes, that's what I'm here for...) then pull over into the alley on the left.
did that and there's 5 more bobbys (to match the capacity of the right turn lane - hmm....) one for each of us. I ws told I was being reported for "driving without due consideration for other road users" because the road was not wide enough to come out and forma second lane and I was cautioned. At the Caution I replied. "I'm not making any comment without legal advice".
Summons duly arrrived with an account of me forcing my way into the oncoming traffic, cars mounting the kerb to avoid me, and blcoking traffic entering the road by my position at the lights. yeah, right.... (1st mistake)
The reported reply clinched it "When cautioned Mr Davison (oops second mistake plod) replied "I thought I'd be OK, everyone does it". (third mistake).
As it happened my breakdown cover covered defence of dangerous driving - don't think you get that these days & i decided to make a fight of it. hundereds of others that day must have decided it was cheaper to take 3 points and a fine than defend. After all the net result was 75% costs to me - of over £200 and the fine would have been £40 in those days.
So I arrived in court in my dog collar (oops forgot to mention to plod who he was callng intending to call a liar), with acurate measuremtns of the junction proving it flared & photos of 5 cars forming a neat right run lane all inside the white line.
tore apart the 'road not wide enough' argument & the blocked traffic entering' bull, and for good mesure pointed out that 'everyone does it' is about the most unlikely thing a person with a degree in ethics was likely to say as it's completly stupid, as any surviving lemming would tell you. (Eat dung 80 billion flies can't be wrong).
I though the magistrate was quite reserved as he commented on the 'inconsitencies' in the Police evidence. "what the h*** were you on to dream that lot up " would have been nearer the mark.
what makes me angry about this to this day is that I could only do that because I ahd insurane to cover the 25% of legal costs not returned. It cost far more than the fine & even the increased insurance that would avhe gone with it.
Where is justice when an inocent party still has to pay 25% of costs - often far more than a fine.
many trapped that day just paid up & the Police reported a very sucessful crackdown on dangerous driving at that junction.
At a slightly staggered Junction there was a problem with people coming out into the right -hand lane where the road widened about 5 car lengths form the junction, then cutting over to the left to go straight on.
At a council meeting the matter ws raised and the Police asked to take action.
I used the junction - I used to turn right there.
A few days later theres a police van there very visible & guess what - eeveryone was behaving themselves. Failed operation? sucessful in the behaviour but not convictions. I discovered plan B as I got to the junction. Batch processing of lies. (It's ok I can call them that - the court agreed).
sitting number 4 in the row of 5 in the right turn lane
along comes plod and instructs me to turn right (yes, that's what I'm here for...) then pull over into the alley on the left.
did that and there's 5 more bobbys (to match the capacity of the right turn lane - hmm....) one for each of us. I ws told I was being reported for "driving without due consideration for other road users" because the road was not wide enough to come out and forma second lane and I was cautioned. At the Caution I replied. "I'm not making any comment without legal advice".
Summons duly arrrived with an account of me forcing my way into the oncoming traffic, cars mounting the kerb to avoid me, and blcoking traffic entering the road by my position at the lights. yeah, right.... (1st mistake)
The reported reply clinched it "When cautioned Mr Davison (oops second mistake plod) replied "I thought I'd be OK, everyone does it". (third mistake).
As it happened my breakdown cover covered defence of dangerous driving - don't think you get that these days & i decided to make a fight of it. hundereds of others that day must have decided it was cheaper to take 3 points and a fine than defend. After all the net result was 75% costs to me - of over £200 and the fine would have been £40 in those days.
So I arrived in court in my dog collar (oops forgot to mention to plod who he was callng intending to call a liar), with acurate measuremtns of the junction proving it flared & photos of 5 cars forming a neat right run lane all inside the white line.
tore apart the 'road not wide enough' argument & the blocked traffic entering' bull, and for good mesure pointed out that 'everyone does it' is about the most unlikely thing a person with a degree in ethics was likely to say as it's completly stupid, as any surviving lemming would tell you. (Eat dung 80 billion flies can't be wrong).
I though the magistrate was quite reserved as he commented on the 'inconsitencies' in the Police evidence. "what the h*** were you on to dream that lot up " would have been nearer the mark.
what makes me angry about this to this day is that I could only do that because I ahd insurane to cover the 25% of legal costs not returned. It cost far more than the fine & even the increased insurance that would avhe gone with it.
Where is justice when an inocent party still has to pay 25% of costs - often far more than a fine.
many trapped that day just paid up & the Police reported a very sucessful crackdown on dangerous driving at that junction.
Not sure in what move to take next.
I am sorting a few things out with my lawyer, he needs to seek further advice as to what to do first....
My first and formost is to recover my actual losses from the damage to my vehicle and the last thing i want to do is ruin my chances.
Its another waiting game for the next few weeks but this time, i have nothing to loose and everything to gain...
Will keep you posted
Thanks
Jon
I am sorting a few things out with my lawyer, he needs to seek further advice as to what to do first....
My first and formost is to recover my actual losses from the damage to my vehicle and the last thing i want to do is ruin my chances.
Its another waiting game for the next few weeks but this time, i have nothing to loose and everything to gain...
Will keep you posted
Thanks
Jon
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