POLICE...... False evidence

[evolution666]

PetrolTed said:

Have you tried the Police Complaints people Jon?

Yeah but there full of people like SC

If the right verdict comes in NOT GUILTY, then they are wide open to been taken to court with a counter claim for £1700, thats the repair cost of the door and wing, plus, then i think im going to lump the whole thing into one and go for harrasment, stress and all that crap

I have had this for 2 1/2 years now and i have just about had enough

Jon

[Mr E]

You have the incident on video?

That could be most useful.

[deeen]

Hi Evo666.

Try to make a video with sound (on private land) of your car wheelspinning for 60m in the dark and wet. If you show it after the "matching statements" and it is significantly different it may help.

Claim off the police for the damage to your car before the case comes to court, using the CCTV footage. Get a copy of this footage now, in case it "disappears".

Contact all the media you can think of - 42 producers for no offence and 4 complaints with no (or negative) effect must be quite a story, before the court case if possible. BBC / Watchdog, even?

All IMHO, I am not a lawyer, speak to yours before doing anything.

What type of car - front / rear / four wheel drive?

Any details that you and your witness might remember that would not show up in a fabricated statement?

If you do the video experiment - any signs of the wheelspin afterwards, splatter marks up the bodywork or something, that would not be on the original CCTV footage?

Good luck, Dean.

[evolution666]

Raify said:

Streetcop said: Best of Luck... Nice attitude there, officer. Hope you never need anyone's advice / sympathy. Ever. I've re-typed this 3 times to avoid swearing, btw. To the original post: It seems your situation has escalated to an alarming level. Perhaps it would be advantageous to consider going to the press / higher police complaints authority? Good luck.

Thanks,

I know somebody mentioned it earlier, i think the press
is a good option, but what do i say???

Do i tell them before in the hope that they are there on the day or after the verdict???

Jon

[deeen]

I think you tell the press ASAP foccusing on the harassment angle and hope you embarrass them into dropping this case.

I think you should get a good lawyer's advice first, however.

[PetrolTed]

evolution666 said:

I know somebody mentioned it earlier, i think the press is a good option, but what do i say???

Get the advice of your lawyer before embarking on this in case you make matters worse.

If the CCTV coverage is dramatic enough, your local TV station may be interested in the story. Be careful though as it could just inflame the situation. You really need the help of someone with PR experience.

[safespeed]

evolution666 said:

OK guys, i have a bit of a problem, the story is as follows On the 5th of Feb, i was down an unlight disused road, sat with my girlfriend at about 9 pm eating a KFC which i had just bought... It was raining very hard and was pitch black.

Formal complaint against Police, as soon as possible. In as much detail as possible.

If you are a good letter writer, then put it in writing to the Chief Constable. If not then visit the local nick and make your complaint verbally to a senior officer (insist on seing a senior officer - if none is available, make an appointment.).

If that doesn't produce a good result, then it's the Police complaints authority. Don't stand for it. It's an outrage.

[Mon Ami Mate]

PetrolTed said:

evolution666 said: I know somebody mentioned it earlier, i think the press is a good option, but what do i say??? Get the advice of your lawyer before embarking on this in case you make matters worse. If the CCTV coverage is dramatic enough, your local TV station may be interested in the story. Be careful though as it could just inflame the situation. You really need the help of someone with PR experience.

Speaking as someone with PR expereince I would say that, in my opinion, don't go near a newspaper until AFTER you have been through the court process.

If you do, you run the risk of the media taking a negative stance ("no smoke without fire, boy racer") which could seriously harm your case. I'm afraid the media will be very unlikely to assume that you are telling the truth and HM Police are all liars.

If you win the case, hit the nationals.

[deltaf]

Mr E said:

You have the incident on video? That could be most useful.

You also have the previous 42 producers as evidence that harrasment is taking place.
If it does go to court, then just be honest at all costs. DO NOT make any falsies up, itll come back on you.
In the meantime id get copies of all the police "evidence" and start picking the big fat holes in it that you know are riddling them.
If its any consolation, i took on 5 "witnesses" and 2 lawyers on my own and blew em outa the water in as many minutes.
Do the same thing here. Look for contradictions in what theyve said, times, positions they say they were at(inside/outside etc).
Also if there arent even ANY contradictions then thats a bit suspicious.
Cast doubt upon their "version", get them to trip up and then theyll be in the brown and smelly and youll be the one making them look the liars they are.
Dont forget, you also have your girlfriend as a witness.
HTH.

[jacko lah]

GreigM said:

Jon - get a good lawyer, sounds like you have a couple of valid points to show that the police statements are fabricated (smoke and tree) - but only a good brief will do you justice.

There was an young asian bloke with lambo countach who got stopped and searched over a 100 times in a year, and given dozens of producers. Was a few years back, but I think he sued the police for racial harrassment and won.

A good lawyer will screw the police for every penny. Have you tried Rex Matkin (Lawyer to the Criminally Rich and famous in Liverpool) ?

[lanciachris]

Sympathies, hope it works out.

And street...

If you know something relevant to this incident which could justify your position, say it.

[Raify]

I definitely agree with everyone's advice about Lawyer first, papers second. The media could be a useful tool, only if it doesn't harm your case.

In the meantime, compile a dossier (not a dodgy one of t'internet ) Make a record of everything, record 'phone calls, start a diary making note of when, where and by whom you were stopped.

Have you tried the C.A.B. for some help?

and once again, good luck.

[evolution666]

Just to make it clear, the video evidence is from 4 miles down the road, it was taken after the alleged offence

It only shows where i got stopped the second time and it clearly show all reg marks of the cars and the excessive level of policing at the incident

I do have my own copy of the tape, and i have made a complaint about the damage to my door, but i have to wait til after the verdict to persue

Jon

[TDTH1975]

evolution666 said:

I then said is that it, and i then left. Reversed back, and drove away quite pleased (smug in fact) that for the 42nd time i had been pulled, they could yet agian do nothing. The police from the dark road said that when they let me go from the dark road, i pulled away at great speed, spinning my wheels fror approx 60 meters. Quotes in thier statements say that they new that they were spinning becouse of the loud screeching noise and the smoke... IN THE WET, I HARDLY THINK SO John

Sorry if i am picking up on the wrong end of the stick here but isn't there an obvious impossibility here. If you were reversing, how could you have been going 'so fast'.

Just a thought....

I notice SC has gone extremely quiet.

[evolution666]

I didnt axplain the layout to well, sorry

The road i was sat down lead to a dead end, the tarmac simply stopped. The road is quite a wide one, and it has a T junction which leads off it, its about 20 yards long and that also leads to a dead end, well a field to be precise.

So i reversed out of the road, then pulled away down the long straight...

Thanks anyway, just goes to show that its only the select few that have the attitude like SC (wonder how many of that select few are in the force????????) and most do bother to take time out to offer advice

Thanks for eveything so far, even you

Jon

[Mrs Fish]

evolution666 said:

The road i was sat down lead to a dead end, the tarmac simply stopped. The road is quite a wide one, and it has a T junction which leads off it, its about 20 yards long and that also leads to a dead end, well a field to be precise. Jon

And what were you doing eating a KFC down such a dark dead end?

[Pies]

Im not sure there is anything to say which your lawyer hasn't probably already told you.
But i would try to get the fact of the amount of previous read out in court.

42 producers is taking the pi55

[Richard C]

evo 666 - You have still not told us what you drive !

What have you done to be 'noticed' then ???

The police statements however seem 'seriously flawed'. To spin road wheels under acceleration for 60m you would have to have a very powerful car indeed. A 2WD - front WD is most likely to do this with least torque. ( due to rearward torque transfer )

However you would be doing about 75 mile/h at the end of the 60m and you'd need about 265 bhp/tonne to achieve it in the dry.

If it was wet as you say it was the figures could be about 60 and 190 bhp/tonne BUT to cause 'screeching' the road surface would have to be dry and clean.

I would have thought a reasonable expert witness would show these statements to be the partial fabrications they smell like.

[evolution666]

Mrs Fish said:

And what were you doing eating a KFC down such a dark dead end?

This road is right next to the KFC, and i just looked for somwhere close to stop and eat it, that was all, many people in the area do

Jon

[flasher]

I notice the street-mouth has gone quiet for once....

Jon

Firstly I would advise you to contact the Citizens advice bureaux. I also think you need a good lawyer mate, if the one you have now doesn't seem up to it, get shot of him quickly.