Judicial review costs budgets (plus general CPR rant)
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I am, actually. I about to get into black tie rig as I am off to Garsington to see The Cunning Little Vixen. Tomorrow is my College's Garden Party (Pimms and cakes and bouncy castle in the Fellows' Garden whilst the Warden and Fellows shake the tin at the alumni) and on Sunday we have boozy guesties over for a barbie. Exec summary: pissed.
Many thanks for the email BV - I am poring over the judgment as I type. Much appreciated.
I am composing a skeleton argument at the moment, and although my situation is not directly relevant to those cases, some of the issues, including the clarity of the importance of the background of other failures will stand me in good stead.
Also, do enjoy your weekend, it seems you have earned it!
I am composing a skeleton argument at the moment, and although my situation is not directly relevant to those cases, some of the issues, including the clarity of the importance of the background of other failures will stand me in good stead.
Also, do enjoy your weekend, it seems you have earned it!
Breadvan72 said:
I am, actually. I about to get into black tie rig as I am off to Garsington to see The Cunning Little Vixen. Tomorrow is my College's Garden Party (Pimms and cakes and bouncy castle in the Fellows' Garden whilst the Warden and Fellows shake the tin at the alumni) and on Sunday we have boozy guesties over for a barbie. Exec summary: pissed.
Sounds spiffing. I presume all the sporty ones from College (I presume you mean Oxford) will have buggered off to Henley, leaving you nerds to party?Up betimes making hamburgers for laters, and also I had to clean out my absolute shed of a study in order to free up the sofa bed for a guest. It was like an archaeological dig of layer after layer of tat, and there were so many bits of s
t old cars in there that I could probably make some sort of kit car from them. I blame eBay.
t old cars in there that I could probably make some sort of kit car from them. I blame eBay.Breadvan72, any idea when the HoL will be voting on it?:
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jan/13/plans-r...
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jan/13/plans-r...
Passed. The Lord Pannick seemed to be saying that Grayling has now made it about the person looking to use JRs to correct injustice(s) rather than the injustice itself. Sounds just like PH ad hominems.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/20/ch...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/17/law...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/20/ch...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/17/law...
The detractors of Graylings JR reforms that were passed last week seem to saying that it will involve more preliminary work before JRs therefore increasing the costs of JRs for those that want to bring them.
But, the objective of the the Review of efficiency of criminal proceedings published by Leveson last week said 'In the first phase, the review will examine the extent to which better use could be made of technology – for example holding short hearings by telephone or web or video-based applications. It is expected to identify ways to reduce the number of pre-trial hearings that require defendants in custody and advocates attending court'.
I copy and pasted most of that from here:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/announcements/review-...
So it could seem that they want to make it easier, quicker and cheaper to get people dealt with by the justice system, but have made it more complicated and more expensive to those that want to challenge the lawfulness of judgements by the Courts and the public sector?
Does someone need to send away their scales for recalibration?
But, the objective of the the Review of efficiency of criminal proceedings published by Leveson last week said 'In the first phase, the review will examine the extent to which better use could be made of technology – for example holding short hearings by telephone or web or video-based applications. It is expected to identify ways to reduce the number of pre-trial hearings that require defendants in custody and advocates attending court'.
I copy and pasted most of that from here:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/announcements/review-...
So it could seem that they want to make it easier, quicker and cheaper to get people dealt with by the justice system, but have made it more complicated and more expensive to those that want to challenge the lawfulness of judgements by the Courts and the public sector?
Does someone need to send away their scales for recalibration?
Edited by carinaman on Sunday 25th January 06:00
https://twitter.com/DinahRoseQC/status/55781803080...
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/01/21/graylin...
I love the bit about Grayling denying that his ban on prisoners being sent books ever existed, despite the High Court having found that (a) it did, and (b) it was unlawful.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/01/21/graylin...
I love the bit about Grayling denying that his ban on prisoners being sent books ever existed, despite the High Court having found that (a) it did, and (b) it was unlawful.
Grayling's Hang 'em and Flog 'em policies don't accord with my own Hang 'em and Flog 'em policies.
Denying wrongly convicted attempted Rapist Victor Nealon compensation just reminds me that Jill Dando killer Barry George isn't innocent enough to get compensation and of convicted rapist Ched Evans not saying he was guilty or playing at being contrite.
At least Sir Alan Moses of IPSO admitted that he may have made mistakes sounding off about the Brooks Newmark MP Tweets on the Media Show last week. And Theresa May did say on Desert Island Discs that she could have handled the European Arrest Warrant stitch up differently. So who knows, perhaps one day Grayling will acknowledge he's been a bit out of order?
Meanwhile visits to constituencies by Grayling makes mention of Courts cutting canteen services to jurors and having to put up with delivered sandwiches. I think there are bigger fish to fry than catering services, unless jurors are going to start saying things like 'Can we just convict him so I can get out of here and get something to eat, I am famished!'
As I've mentioned Sir Alan Moses of IPSO acknowledging that he could have pre-judged the Brooks Newmark MP Tweets story, I should take the opportunity to mention that Leveson has mooted that ditching trial by jury would save costs and overheads. What price justice? Can't we put it on the Amex card?
I'm sure Sir Alan Moses wouldn't have pre-judged the Brooks Newmark MP story if IPSO had been Leveson compliant.
I've rambled like a ditch finder shod W210 with crusty front strut mounts? In a roundabout way I could be agreeing that Grayling isn't a particularly nice person.
Denying wrongly convicted attempted Rapist Victor Nealon compensation just reminds me that Jill Dando killer Barry George isn't innocent enough to get compensation and of convicted rapist Ched Evans not saying he was guilty or playing at being contrite.
At least Sir Alan Moses of IPSO admitted that he may have made mistakes sounding off about the Brooks Newmark MP Tweets on the Media Show last week. And Theresa May did say on Desert Island Discs that she could have handled the European Arrest Warrant stitch up differently. So who knows, perhaps one day Grayling will acknowledge he's been a bit out of order?
Meanwhile visits to constituencies by Grayling makes mention of Courts cutting canteen services to jurors and having to put up with delivered sandwiches. I think there are bigger fish to fry than catering services, unless jurors are going to start saying things like 'Can we just convict him so I can get out of here and get something to eat, I am famished!'
As I've mentioned Sir Alan Moses of IPSO acknowledging that he could have pre-judged the Brooks Newmark MP Tweets story, I should take the opportunity to mention that Leveson has mooted that ditching trial by jury would save costs and overheads. What price justice? Can't we put it on the Amex card?
I'm sure Sir Alan Moses wouldn't have pre-judged the Brooks Newmark MP story if IPSO had been Leveson compliant.
I've rambled like a ditch finder shod W210 with crusty front strut mounts? In a roundabout way I could be agreeing that Grayling isn't a particularly nice person.
As Breadvan72 doesn't seem to be in the Chris Grayling fanclub and this involved a mate of Grayling's I thought I'd leave this here:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/02/pro...
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/02/pro...
carinaman said:
As Breadvan72 doesn't seem to be in the Chris Grayling fanclub and this involved a mate of Grayling's I thought I'd leave this here:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/02/pro...
grayling has a fan club????http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/02/pro...
Maybe all you legal guys here can answer this for me. I give the legal profesion the benefit of the doubt, and confer them with a good degree of intelligence. Except that some of them become MP's and even Ministers, and then spout complete bks and idiotic nonesense, and often outright lies. Why ?
ks and idiotic nonesense, and often outright lies. Why ?It is a popular misconception that Parliament and Government are dominated by lawyers. In reality, there are fewer lawyers in Parliament and Government than there used to be, back in the days when, allegedly, we were better governed than we are now. NB: correlation is not always causation. For example: in the 1979 election, just over ten percent of the MPs returned were barristers. The percentage in 2010 was just over six percent. The Cameron Cabinet is notable for how few lawyers in contains.
As for MPs and Ministers misbehaving, that is something that quite a few do, regardless of professional background.
As for MPs and Ministers misbehaving, that is something that quite a few do, regardless of professional background.
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