GMP CC to be prosecuted for H&S breaches after man shot
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Whole thing seems like madness to me. Fine the force a large some of money, which goes back to the Govt whence it came. Force unable to provide services to the public as a result, public suffer.
Trial costs a lot of money which is paid for from public money too.
It's not just me is it?
Trial costs a lot of money which is paid for from public money too.
It's not just me is it?
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
It's poor to lose a memory stick. I'd expect it to have high-level encryption so even if it were lost, no-one would realistically get into it.
If the data is that sensitive then it shouldn't be stored on a system that permits copies to be made to removable media.What about all of the Edward Snowdens that aren't leaking it and just selling it to the Chinese AND the Iranians?
No New Year's pledge to coherence, it seems.
New Year? I remember when I was stopped by a police officer on new year as he thought I was drink-driving. It reminds me when Tony Blair wanted the limit of drink driving. Perhaps if he had used the NDMM then the war in Iraq wouldn't have started on a Wednesday. Wednesday, like Sheffield Wednesday when the Hillsborough disaster occurred?
New Year? I remember when I was stopped by a police officer on new year as he thought I was drink-driving. It reminds me when Tony Blair wanted the limit of drink driving. Perhaps if he had used the NDMM then the war in Iraq wouldn't have started on a Wednesday. Wednesday, like Sheffield Wednesday when the Hillsborough disaster occurred?
The point I was trying to make, is that data whether it belongs to the police or anyone else isn't secure.
I was comparing a police USB memory stick with the volume of data leaked by Edward Snowden. 'He's risked the lives of many and put the security of the nation at risk!' Edward Snowden wasn't the only one with that access to that information was he.
You're BiB. How many nominals are on your patches now committing the same crimes as other nominals? So who would think Snowden is the only one that's done it?
Those bogeymen 'hackers', the biggest threat is from internal users isn't it?
I was following on from V8Fettler's lead about removable media.
I was comparing a police USB memory stick with the volume of data leaked by Edward Snowden. 'He's risked the lives of many and put the security of the nation at risk!' Edward Snowden wasn't the only one with that access to that information was he.
You're BiB. How many nominals are on your patches now committing the same crimes as other nominals? So who would think Snowden is the only one that's done it?
Those bogeymen 'hackers', the biggest threat is from internal users isn't it?
I was following on from V8Fettler's lead about removable media.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 16th January 22:00
LoonR1 said:
Grainger was scum of the highest order.
An acquaintance of mine still bears the scars from the beating dished out while his car was being stolen, the same car Grainger was shot dead in.
Did your acquaintance go through his insurance to repair the hole in the windscreen? Might be worth writing to GMP to ask for a direct settlement, recorded delivery of course.An acquaintance of mine still bears the scars from the beating dished out while his car was being stolen, the same car Grainger was shot dead in.
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No I don't. The policeman who killed him didn't even pretend he saw a gun- he simply said he couldn't see the guy's hands.anonymous said:
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I'd rather nobody got killed when there's no need.anonymous said:
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There was a wrong decision IMHO. The fact that it cost a bad person his life doesn't make it ok.anonymous said:
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No- I'm anti bad police. I would hope that there is a difference.Stand up for your colleagues when they're right- this one wasn't IMO.
LoonR1 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Did your acquaintance go through his insurance to repair the hole in the windscreen? Might be worth writing to GMP to ask for a direct settlement, recorded delivery of course.
Yeah very funny. He only spent a week in hospital as a result of the beating. This from the BBC.
“The Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, Sir Peter Fahy, is to be prosecuted after an unarmed man was shot dead by an officer.
Sir Peter is accused of failing to discharge a duty under the Health and Safety at Work Act as he is "corporation sole" for the force, the CPS said.
Prosecutors have decided the marksman who killed Mr Grainger on 3 March 2012 should not face charges for murder, manslaughter or misconduct in public office because a jury would be likely to accept he believed his actions were necessary.
A bullet fired by an officer passed through the windscreen and hit Mr Grainger, who was from Bolton.
It later emerged the unarmed father of two had been wrongly suspected of stealing a memory stick containing the names of police informants.”
Why does it take so long for these fatal shootings by police officers to come to court, if indeed they ever do?
Why do the prosecutors not want to let a jury decide?
Why do we have to accept this "he believed his actions were necessary" excuse without hearing the evidence?
Would a member of the public get away with pleading that without having to go to court?
“The Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, Sir Peter Fahy, is to be prosecuted after an unarmed man was shot dead by an officer.
Sir Peter is accused of failing to discharge a duty under the Health and Safety at Work Act as he is "corporation sole" for the force, the CPS said.
Prosecutors have decided the marksman who killed Mr Grainger on 3 March 2012 should not face charges for murder, manslaughter or misconduct in public office because a jury would be likely to accept he believed his actions were necessary.
A bullet fired by an officer passed through the windscreen and hit Mr Grainger, who was from Bolton.
It later emerged the unarmed father of two had been wrongly suspected of stealing a memory stick containing the names of police informants.”
Why does it take so long for these fatal shootings by police officers to come to court, if indeed they ever do?
Why do the prosecutors not want to let a jury decide?
Why do we have to accept this "he believed his actions were necessary" excuse without hearing the evidence?
Would a member of the public get away with pleading that without having to go to court?
If ever there was a case of too little too late.
The police watchdog has apologised to Mark Duggan's family for "wrongly" telling the media he had fired at police before he was shot.
The IPCC also said:
• It would interview officers involved in the incident and expected them to co-operate, "including answering questions at interview, something they have so far refused to do"
• It plans to ban the practice under which officers are allowed to confer before making statements about police shootings and deaths in custody
• In future cases of a death involving police contact the IPCC will take control of the scene "at the earliest possible stage"
A statement from IPCC Deputy Chair, Rachel Cerfontyne, said: "Having assessed the evidence at inquest, there are initially a number of significant lines of enquiry which we are pursuing.
The police watchdog has apologised to Mark Duggan's family for "wrongly" telling the media he had fired at police before he was shot.
The IPCC also said:
• It would interview officers involved in the incident and expected them to co-operate, "including answering questions at interview, something they have so far refused to do"
• It plans to ban the practice under which officers are allowed to confer before making statements about police shootings and deaths in custody
• In future cases of a death involving police contact the IPCC will take control of the scene "at the earliest possible stage"
A statement from IPCC Deputy Chair, Rachel Cerfontyne, said: "Having assessed the evidence at inquest, there are initially a number of significant lines of enquiry which we are pursuing.
Given the IPCC's track record nothing will come of it. Just more smoke to hide the real agenda. As far as I am aware no police officer has ever faced serious charges over a fatal shooting and I suspect the establishment will move heaven and earth to ensure that they never do.
Edited by davidball on Friday 17th January 16:11
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