Motorsport noise nuisance - again

Motorsport noise nuisance - again

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V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

131 months

Thursday 6th March 2014
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By any meaningful test of reasonableness, this is a nonsensical judgement.

Who me ?

7,455 posts

211 months

Thursday 6th March 2014
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Jagmanv12 said:
Absolutely ludicrous decision. Proves the old saying "the law is an ass".

When I was looking for my current house I viewed one that backed onto a main railway line and therefore didn't buy it.

I should have done now then sued Network South East for the nuisance.*

  • This is humorous remark and obviously nobody in their right mind would.
Before retirement I worked for a rail renewal company. As other rail employees will testify, it's amazing how many homeowners near the track ,even after receiving notification of forthcoming weekend work ( and i was led to believe of an offer of a hotel room for the period) chose to stay at home and berate the rail employees for the machine noise.

ofcorsa

3,527 posts

242 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
McWigglebum4th said:
So why can't i sue anyone about the wind turbines that were put up after we bought the house?
Because you had the opportunity to object to the planning application before it was granted.

If you objected, but planning was granted anyway, then the council obviously thought your grounds for complaint insufficient.
If you didn't object, then you clearly didn't find it that big an issue.
Presumably the track had planning permission granted at some time too? So people had a chance to object at that point?

DottyMR2

478 posts

126 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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[quote=Who me ?]

Before retirement I worked for a rail renewal company. As other rail employees will testify, it's amazing how many homeowners near the track ,even after receiving notification of forthcoming weekend work ( and i was led to believe of an offer of a hotel room for the period) chose to stay at home and berate the rail employees for the machine noise.

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My old house backed onto a railway. There was slightly less than 50 yards between the house and the line, only the garden and fence between too.

Not once in the 12 months I lived there did I ever get distrubed by the trains passing since they stop running at 11.30, if you get double glazing they really are rather quiet when passing at speed and they take a few seconds to pass. You don't even notice it.
They even did lay new line along the stretch past us while I was there and the work wsn't that loud. Yes you can hear it but come on, I used the trains so have to accept it needs work. It only took a day to do a huge stretch anyway, why complain?

The guy next door who was intent on cutting his grass at 6:00am during the summer was a bigger pest than the trains.

People will complain about anything though. It's the blame culture, "nothing is ever my fault", "I want paid for my inconvenience!" society we live in. It's disgusting but the courts let it happen so the justice system is even more disgusting. They set the precedence here and the public follow on.

Edited by DottyMR2 on Friday 7th March 11:03


Edited by DottyMR2 on Friday 7th March 11:06

Red Devil

13,048 posts

207 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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ofcorsa said:
Presumably the track had planning permission granted at some time too? So people had a chance to object at that point?
All railways in the UK are authorised by Parliamentary Acts. Like this one. Any land required to build one can be compulsorily purchased by the Secretary of State. Planning permission is deemed granted (i.e. it's a done deal).

People can, of course, object to the planned route and try to get it changed but that is part of the consultation process. It's quite different from the system whereby local authority committees rule on individual planning applications.

Cliftonite

8,405 posts

137 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Not just motorsport:

The first complaint in 140 years could silence this!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-26583...

rolleyes


Centurion07

10,381 posts

246 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Cliftonite said:
Not just motorsport:

The first complaint in 140 years could silence this!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-26583...

rolleyes
"The clock chimes one bell at 15 minutes past the hour, twice at half-past, three times at quarter to the hour and four times on the hour, while another bell marks the hourly time."

There's no need for that 24/7 though is there? Race circuits are a bit different as they're businesses; a clock chiming every 15 minutes through the night is taking the piss.

Slidingpillar

761 posts

135 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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My betting is the complainant is an incommer, and lived in the town for less than a month. Once anyone was used to the chimes, they ought not be bothered by them.

Sad reflection on society that you can move to an area with an existing noisy activity, and then get the activity stopped.

voyds9

8,488 posts

282 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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How long before someone moves to the countryside then complains it's too quiet and forces the council to add noise.

Sonic

4,007 posts

206 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Centurion07 said:
"The clock chimes one bell at 15 minutes past the hour, twice at half-past, three times at quarter to the hour and four times on the hour, while another bell marks the hourly time."

There's no need for that 24/7 though is there? Race circuits are a bit different as they're businesses; a clock chiming every 15 minutes through the night is taking the piss.
Tbf there is a clock tower barely 100m away from us that does this... it's can be bloody annoying, but liveable until we get a hot spell like last year, when the windows are wide open all night, and then its fking infuriating... still, we put up with it, because we chose to live here.

Vaud

50,194 posts

154 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Sonic said:
Centurion07 said:
"The clock chimes one bell at 15 minutes past the hour, twice at half-past, three times at quarter to the hour and four times on the hour, while another bell marks the hourly time."

There's no need for that 24/7 though is there? Race circuits are a bit different as they're businesses; a clock chiming every 15 minutes through the night is taking the piss.
Tbf there is a clock tower barely 100m away from us that does this... it's can be bloody annoying, but liveable until we get a hot spell like last year, when the windows are wide open all night, and then its fking infuriating... still, we put up with it, because we chose to live here.
I can see why they had them in the days before watches and clocks were pervasive, especially in rural communities, they were needed from, say 4.30am for farming. But why 24hr? It becomes a "thing of interest" in the modern day, rather than serving a purpose.

Red Devil

13,048 posts

207 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Slidingpillar said:
My betting is the complainant is an incommer, and lived in the town for less than a month. Once anyone was used to the chimes, they ought not be bothered by them.

Sad reflection on society that you can move to an area with an existing noisy activity, and then get the activity stopped.
It is nearly always an incomer. It's not that difficult to check it out beforehand. If it's that much of an issue why move there in the first place ffs?

I get heartily sick of such people who always seem to think the world has to accommodate their demands above that which the local community has been content with for, in some cases, hundreds of years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-329989/Ang...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9464478/Ken...

http://www.centralsomersetgazette.co.uk//Church-cl...
http://www.westerngazette.co.uk//Court-date-set-vi...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffor...

agtlaw

Original Poster:

6,660 posts

205 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Update - neighbours seek £1 million in fees but get only £640,000.

http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/supreme-court-expr...

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKSC/2014/46.html


Silent1

19,761 posts

234 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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Cliftonite said:
Not just motorsport:

The first complaint in 140 years could silence this!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-26583...

rolleyes
Some people local to us did that in a village known for being very expensive and full of people who like to have Victorian days where they "turn back the clock to the victorian era".
So as you can imagine lots of people with plenty of money piled in on the defense and as I understand it the people who had just moved in felt very uncomfortable in the village so they dropped their claim.

Tbh it was ludicrous anyway as the clock only rings on the hour (between 7am and 9pm) and the only other noise is church bells practice and weddings etc, they apparently agreed to the concession that they wouldn't practice the bells after 10pm which they never did anyway because they're all about 400 years old and used to do it after lunch!

Vaud

50,194 posts

154 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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hora said:
Hang on. A minging little bungalow on soo much land bought by litigous people. Did they really 'live' there? Cynical here but did they buy to redevelop/silence aka make money from the land?
"They lived there from January 2006 until May 2010, when their home was flooded with oil after a digger was crashed into an oil tank, then it was rendered uninhabitable by fire the following month"

motco

15,908 posts

245 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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hora said:
EskimoArapaho said:
Fairly local to me. As stupid as they were, its clear that some local knuckledraggers are total scum.

Here's a Before/After of their house:

2006: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatc...

2014: http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/local/latest-n...
Hang on. A minging little bungalow on soo much land bought by litigous people. Did they really 'live' there? Cynical here but did they buy to redevelop/silence aka make money from the land?


Edited by hora on Thursday 31st July 11:19
If I were connected with the insurance company for the place (if any) I would look under all the stones surrounding the accidental fire that mysteriously destroyed an oil-soaked building.

Oh, and did they not mind the noise from RAF Mildenhall (and Lakenheath not far away) or are they suing the MoD too?

Red Devil

13,048 posts

207 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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motco said:
Oh, and did they not mind the noise from RAF Mildenhall (and Lakenheath not far away) or are they suing the MoD too?
No chance.

Military - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/43/sectio... - subsection (2).

or (providing no breaches of the relevant provisions have occurred)

Civil: http://www.heathrowairport.com/static/Heathrow_Noi...




BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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Those legal fees are eye watering.

TVR1

5,460 posts

224 months

Thursday 31st July 2014
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BlackLabel said:
Those legal fees are eye watering.
The Lawyers were consoling each other, as the tears were running down their cheeks.