You Must Never Give BIBs a Bollocking In Public Ever

[Tannedbaldhead]

aw51 121565 said:

Tannedbaldhead said:

A neighbour heard noises from the empty property and phoned the Police.

The neighbour hadn't noticed the polythene cladding around the place, the operatives looking like extras from the last 30 minutes of ET or anything else unusual (like a big lorry with a decontamination unit/area parked out front, for example) then? And the police officer(s) hadn't clocked this upon arrival either?



(Sub)contractor could have dealt with it better (more politely, as reported, but he/she had an important point to make!) - but then the police should also have noticed the polythene cladding and "warning - asbestos!" notices at their point of entry to the building as a starter for ten and clocked a real H&S Issue then withdrawn .

Story does not hang true, to be frank ; asbestos removal is serious st nowadays, and people - anyone - would be aware of the issue and risks before entering the site...

Firstly, this wasn't a full on taped up enclosure with neg air pressure and a decontamination unit outside. As the AIB panel was a small amount and it was being removed in an intact and painted condition it was deemed that it would not release sufficient fibres within a 10 minute period to trigger the need to pre-notify the HSE and remove under licenced conditions. What you had was one man in the house in a T5 suit and a half-mask with a heavy gauge poly sheet taped to the floor under the area he was working. The sign was a laminate A4 sheet propped at the bottom of the Sitex door.

Man was working on one end of a long hallway on the door between the hall and living room, Police walked in the front door. On seeing someone enter the building he immediately and vociferously instructed the person to leave as he was trained to do so. When the Police officer hesitated he repeated the instruction with more force and a greater sense of urgency. Had the officer gone all the way through the threshold you'd have been looking at an HSE notifiable exposure, full investigation, questions asked about sufficiency of signing and whether the operative should have secured the area by locking the door. Under those circumstances you aren't polite when you don't want someone to enter a room.

[Eclassy]

Thats the way it seems. I worked in a contact centre for a stty broadband company years ago and I got called every expletive known to man every other call but I just carried on cause I realised it came with the territory.

Train station assistants, nurses, teachers, ticket wardens are sworn at and abused every single working day but they just get on with their jobs.

My friend recently got arrested for saying "he had zero trust in the police" and that "the police had wasted his time"

I dont think it is a crime to be rude/abusive to the police so why are the police so precious these days? I thought it was a job for real men.

[Engineer1]

Tannedbaldhead said:

Had the officer gone all the way through the threshold you'd have been looking at an HSE notifiable exposure, full investigation, questions asked about sufficiency of signing and whether the operative should have secured the area by locking the door. Under those circumstances you aren't polite when you don't want someone to enter a room.

The risk of managers HSE etc being dragged in is likely to result in someones language becoming more insistent

[7mike]

If the contractor had dented the plod's egos that badly he should have invited them back into the house for a friendly chat & to explain the situation. After all passing the their 'attitude test' is far more important than saving their fking lives

[Siscar]

So everyone believes one person's account of what happened and pontificates accordingly.

Aside from the fact that shouting abuse at anyone isn't a good idea, unless you know what signs actually were up and what the views of the others involved may be you can't have a balanced judgment.

But hey, lets just all blame the plods anyway.

[trashbat]

I'm working on the mobile forms for these guys at the mo - void repairs - so I'll make sure I add a ticky box for 'job not complete - fell down a lot of stairs'.

[anonymous-user]

Eclassy said:

Train station assistants, nurses, teachers, ticket wardens are sworn at and abused every single working day but they just get on with their jobs.

So because it's a daily occurrence it's OK?

[Randomthoughts]

MGZTV8 said:

question is, are you naive enough not to realise and understand that having warning signs re asbestos could actually be a load of bks and a cover for screwing the property?

And at the point that a man dressed for the job is screaming at you to get out whilst he's trying to manipulate a sheet out of a wall or roof space then Mr NotGoingToMakeDetective ought to have realised that it probably isn't a scam and will be out shortly to provide any further proof.

[paintman]

Tannedbaldhead said:

Man was working on one end of a long hallway on the door between the hall and living room, Police walked in the front door. On seeing someone enter the building he immediately and vociferously instructed the person to leave as he was trained to do so. When the Police officer hesitated he repeated the instruction with more force and a greater sense of urgency. Had the officer gone all the way through the threshold you'd have been looking at an HSE notifiable exposure, full investigation, questions asked about sufficiency of signing and whether the operative should have secured the area by locking the door. Under those circumstances you aren't polite when you don't want someone to enter a room.

Sounds like the world & his wife could have wandered in.

If they feel they have been improperly treated then they should make a formal complaint about the officers:
https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/complaints

[Eclassy]

La Liga said:

o because it's a daily occurrence it's OK?

It doesnt make it okay but why are the police so precious about it? If other people suck it up and get on with their jobs why cant the police do that? They should realise by now that not everyone loves the police. Threatning someone with an arrest for telling you to ''get the fk out'' of his contaminated and restricted work area is an abuse of power/authority IMHO.

I have seen some clips on YouTube where the police themselves have used colourful language on suspects and members of the public.

[jith]

RWD cossie wil said:

mybrainhurts said:

Question is, if you're stupid enough to ignore/not see the warnings and understand the hazard, are you fit to be a police officer?

Ahh, the perfect cover for the next 'job', put asbestos signs up , rob the place blind while plod stand at the edge of your 'zone'!

Evil Genius

"Do you have a leesence for that minkey?"

J

[Snowboy]

It sounds like the Asbestos man was overly aggressive and rude at the start, but then kept being overly rude and aggressive.
This lead to what seems to be a stupid situation.

It could have been easily handled by Asbestosman shouting;
"Look, I'm sorry I swore at you, it's just that I'm handling some dangerous stuff here and I overreacted. Can I help with anything without coming out?"

It seems that many people like to undermine the authority of the police and expect to get away with it. That's not the way it should work and it's not the way it does work.

The police HAD to check the house.
Asbestosman CHOSE to be a dick.

Asbestos boss could have diffused the situation by something like;
"Sorry my man was rude, I'll have a word with him about his attitude. Is there anything else I can help with?"
But instead he decided to try and undermine the police too.

Too many people act like school kids with the police being teachers where it's all fun and games to give them a hard time knowing there won't be any repercussions.
These people get a nasty surprise about the real world.

[55palfers]

http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/coi-se-msasbestos...

Asbestos - serious st

4000 deaths each year, 40 years of exposure to work out of system.

If this story is true then the guy was following his training.

[anonymous-user]

Eclassy said:

It doesnt make it okay but why are the police so precious about it? If other people suck it up and get on with their jobs why cant the police do that?

It really depends on what standards and behaviour you want in society. I'm not talking about this specific incident, but I don't want it to be the the norm for people in other jobs you describe to have to face abuse and have to "suck it up".

[Rude-boy]

paintman said:

Sounds like the world & his wife could have wandered in.

If they feel they have been improperly treated then they should make a formal complaint about the officers:
https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/complaints

Only if the World and his wife are also illiterate.

[motco]

Tannedbaldhead said:

...not interfering while they dealt with an offence.

What offence exactly?

[otolith]

You know, in the heat of the moment, I would have no problem with a copper shouting "get off the fking motorway" at someone who was blithely wandering into a live carriageway. The important thing is to get the person out of immediate danger. I don't see any difference just because the person wandering into danger is plod and the person saving him is a MOP.

[Snowboy]

Eclassy said:

It doesnt make it okay but why are the police so precious about it? If other people suck it up and get on with their jobs why cant the police do that?
-snip-

Sorry for the snip, but I think I got the general thrust of your question.

I did start to write a sensible reply about authority, warrant cards, and what the authority of the police represents.
But I deleted it.

I'm going to credit you with the intelligence that you already KNOW why police are different.
You're just don't like the answer so you're fighting against it.

[Rovinghawk]

Einion Yrth said:

I'd figure that if they want to inhale asbestos dust that's their issue. I'd tell them the signs weren't lying, of course.

They could get a police medic to cure them:

[Siscar]

55palfers said:

If this story is true then the guy was following his training.

That's right - in the training they all have to chant in unison the official line 'Get to fk out you fking idiots' time after time until they are word perfect.