You Must Never Give BIBs a Bollocking In Public Ever

[carinaman]

Red 4 said:

I am. Drained would be a better description.

I did consider sending a beer token to Garlick to forward onto one of the posters in the detaining of the mentally ill in cells, but then I thought of some of their other posts and thought they probably earn more than me.

Your mention of PC James Patrick led me to his Resignation Statement on his blog. I'm not crying today.

[Red 4]

carinaman said:

Red 4 said:

This officer was heavily criticised by morons who know nothing about this man or how he was treated ...

I am one of those. I started a thread on the incident.

What ? You're a moron ? OK - I'll take your word for it. Top marks for honesty

As for misappropriation/ not making things personal/ sticking to rules and procedures .... well, in a perfect world - but this is not a perfect world.

[carinaman]

Red 4 said:

What ? You're a moron ? OK - I'll take your word for it. Top marks for honesty

In my younger days I handed myself in at a police station. I wasn't wanted. They weren't even aware of it until I informed on myself. I'm an honest moron.

So when that was dealt with sensibly it irks years later when bad apples make morons of themselves by butting into my life with false allegations.

[carinaman]

Red 4 said:

What ? You're a moron ? OK - I'll take your word for it. Top marks for honesty

http://www.cumbria.police.uk/Admin/uploads/attachm...

I don't think we are supposed to use the term 'moron'.

Good job I am not BiB and you started it. Unlucky.

[Red 4]

carinaman said:

In my younger days I handed myself in at a police station. I wasn't wanted. They weren't even aware of it until I informed on myself. I'm an honest moron.

So when that was dealt with sensibly it irks years later when bad apples make morons of themselves by butting into my life with false allegations.

Ah ... a self incriminating full admission of the offence without any offence having been repotred.

Top marks. I'm not sure whether those top marks are for stupidity or honesty. I was always a bit more streetwise.

Point taken on the second part of your post. I don't think anybody will ever say bad apples don't exist. Thankfully, IME, they are very much in the minority.

[Red 4]

carinaman said:

http://www.cumbria.police.uk/Admin/uploads/attachm...

I don't think we are supposed to use the term 'moron'.

Good job I am not BiB and you started it. Unlucky.

I don't wish to piss on your chips but I am now retired due to injuries received on duty.

PSD ? Yeah, like I give a st. (and there's naff all they can do to me now).

[carinaman]

Red 4 said:

Ah ... a self incriminating full admission of the offence without any offence having been reported.

It was a nice tale. It included me being honest and slightly stupid and police officers being sensible, using their discretion and making a choice. Years later the bad apples emptied their bladders on it. The altitude they were at isn't important, the outcome was the same.

[ruggedscotty]

Similar situation - few years ago undertaking switching on an HV network at just gone 3 in the morning when plod walks into the switchroom. First request was wait outside the switchroom door, it was ignored. second request was to please fu@k off....

There are some sitations thankfully quite rare when the situation dictates that the person completes a specific switching action before being interrupted. Once started it has to be completed. In this situation the engineer was swapping source and had both incommer feeds closed onto the bus in process of transitioning between the two and had just made up the second feed and was about to drop the original feed.

Some get with the program and realise that sometimes they just have to wait. Sometimes some dont and make an arse of themselves they just cant help it.... ;-)

Below is an example of what goes wrong when switching - and why its a restricted area and why you restrict the area to those undertaking the work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPYp9nIboI

[mybrainhurts]

ruggedscotty said:

Similar situation - few years ago undertaking switching on an HV network at just gone 3 in the morning when plod walks into the switchroom. First request was wait outside the switchroom door, it was ignored. second request was to please fu@k off....

I'm guessing the please saved him from a bloody good hiding...?

[Eclassy]

ruggedscotty said:

Similar situation - few years ago undertaking switching on an HV network at just gone 3 in the morning when plod walks into the switchroom. First request was wait outside the switchroom door, it was ignored. second request was to please fu@k off....


Below is an example of what goes wrong when switching - and why its a restricted area and why you restrict the area to those undertaking the work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPYp9nIboI

But if it was such a dangerous place, why didnt you have Saatchi & Saatchi make up proper signs to be displayed and the Territorial Army guarding the entrance and exits to this switch room?

[Snowboy]

ruggedscotty said:

Similar situation - few years ago undertaking switching on an HV network at just gone 3 in the morning when plod walks into the switchroom. First request was wait outside the switchroom door, it was ignored. second request was to please fu@k off....

There are some sitations thankfully quite rare when the situation dictates that the person completes a specific switching action before being interrupted. Once started it has to be completed. In this situation the engineer was swapping source and had both incommer feeds closed onto the bus in process of transitioning between the two and had just made up the second feed and was about to drop the original feed.

Some get with the program and realise that sometimes they just have to wait. Sometimes some dont and make an arse of themselves they just cant help it.... ;-)

Below is an example of what goes wrong when switching - and why its a restricted area and why you restrict the area to those undertaking the work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPYp9nIboI

Is there any further story about what happened when the tech finished and spoke to the police afterwards.

Looking at the OP I'd say the problem was made worse by the workman not coming out and speaking to the police.

There's also a huge difference between '(please) fk off this is dangerous'
Vs
"fk off you fking idiots"

[XCP]

Politeness costs nothing. It is quite possible to be assertive whilst remaining polite.

[ruggedscotty]

When they were asked to wait outside they started with the who do you think your talking to sunny - from two lads bearly thirty.... Yeah politeness goes out the window. Im doing something here and your getting in the way - you are also exposing yourself to danger needlessly and you should for once listen to those that know what they are doing. Getting heavy handed when you are given a polite instruction doesnt bode well......

He explained to me that when he had two feeds closed up to the bus then the potential fault current availiable exceeded the panel ratings - its something that happens but the exposure to risk is minimal as the close and then open occurrs in a short space of time. done to transfer the source feed without dropping the supplied load.

Ive done a little with HV in the past and know what he was on about, but to joe public I dont think they would understand or appreciate the risk. The HV course was quite sobering..... I never realised just how much 1cm3 of copper expands to when it explodes. Dont want to be near any HV if it can be avoided.

[RWD cossie wil]

ruggedscotty said:

Similar situation - few years ago undertaking switching on an HV network at just gone 3 in the morning when plod walks into the switchroom. First request was wait outside the switchroom door, it was ignored. second request was to please fu@k off....

There are some sitations thankfully quite rare when the situation dictates that the person completes a specific switching action before being interrupted. Once started it has to be completed. In this situation the engineer was swapping source and had both incommer feeds closed onto the bus in process of transitioning between the two and had just made up the second feed and was about to drop the original feed.

Some get with the program and realise that sometimes they just have to wait. Sometimes some dont and make an arse of themselves they just cant help it.... ;-)

Below is an example of what goes wrong when switching - and why its a restricted area and why you restrict the area to those undertaking the work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhPYp9nIboI

Shocking!!

[carinaman]

Mk3Spitfire said:

Greendubber said:

wtf?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-26...

I think more than a few of us have driven when we've had a long day. Just a little reminder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtijm9Sch-E

I stopped that at 28 secs. it'll have to wait til I am in a better frame of mind.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 4th April 06:28

[AndyBrew]

mybrainhurts said:

jimbop1 said:

At the end of the day you don't swear at the police and call them idiots!

Just at the beginning of the day, then..?

and anybody else is fair game, I can't remember the last time I called a total stranger a "fking idiot" let alone a serving Police officer lol!

[Tannedbaldhead]

AndyBrew said:

mybrainhurts said:

jimbop1 said:

At the end of the day you don't swear at the police and call them idiots!

Just at the beginning of the day, then..?

and anybody else is fair game, I can't remember the last time I called a total stranger a "fking idiot" let alone a serving Police officer lol!

I do. I work on construction sites. If I see someone do something dangerous I'll shout and swear. It doesn't happen often, last time I remember was at an apprentice jumping from the scaffold round one block of flats to the scaffold round the flats next door to save himself running downstairs out the door of the flats he was in then over to next door, through the door and up those stairs. Not a big jump but a hellova drop if he arsed it. On the odd occasion I see someone not wearing their hard hat on site I point at the offending party shout something like "for fk's sake" and knock with my knuckles on top of mine. Next time I see the same head bare he gone. Foremen, Site Agents and Banksmen are bad for swearing. If a police officer in the course of his duties walked into the path of plant under a banksman's guidance he'd better have a thick skin.

I notice Police seem to think in such circumstances the guys shouting are getting a kick out of getting one over on BIBs. They have a default attitude that everyone who crosses them a badun. It's not the case. It's cultural and automatic. Seniority is not an issue. Even as a commercial manager walking around a site I am not immune from getting hollered and sworn at by a labourer if I inadvertently walked into an area where I put myself in danger. If it puts a jet up my arse and I get to hell out the road then the guy has my thanks. There's another thing going on. If I as a commercial manager get sworn, bked by an individual of much lower seniority I lose a lot of face. That loss of face is more of an incentive to be safe than the possibility of suffering harm on site (we all suffer a bit from it wont happen to me syndrome)

The following clip sums up attitudes to safety in a dangerous environment culture very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu51rszgotI

I'll tell you another thing and it'll be interesting to hear a plod perspective. In the odd occasion where a serving police officer finds himself in the situation where someone has to tell the BIB "I'm the fking boss here" it's not the word fk that's the police officers main issue.

[singlecoil]

Tannedbaldhead said:

I do. I work on construction sites. If I see someone do something dangerous I'll shout and swear. It doesn't happen often, last time I remember was at an apprentice jumping from the scaffold round one block of flats to the scaffold round the flats next door to save himself running downstairs out the door of the flats he was in then over to next door, through the door and up those stairs. Not a big jump but a hellova drop if he arsed it. On the odd occasion I see someone not wearing their hard hat on site I point at the offending party shout something like "for fk's sake" and knock with my knuckles on top of mine. Next time I see the same head bare he gone. Foremen, Site Agents and Banksmen are bad for swearing. If a police officer in the course of his duties walked into the path of plant under a banksman's guidance he'd better have a thick skin.

I notice Police seem to think in such circumstances the guys shouting are getting a kick out of getting one over on BIBs. They have a default attitude that everyone who crosses them a badun. It's not the case. It's cultural and automatic. Seniority is not an issue. Even as a commercial manager walking around a site I am not immune from getting hollered and sworn at by a labourer if I inadvertently walked into an area where I put myself in danger. If it puts a jet up my arse and I get to hell out the road then the guy has my thanks. There's another thing going on. If I as a commercial manager get sworn, bked by an individual of much lower seniority I lose a lot of face. That loss of face is more of an incentive to be safe than the possibility of suffering harm on site (we all suffer a bit from it wont happen to me syndrome)

The following clip sums up attitudes to safety in a dangerous environment culture very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu51rszgotI

I'll tell you another thing and it'll be interesting to hear a plod perspective. In the odd occasion where a serving police officer finds himself in the situation where someone has to tell the BIB "I'm the fking boss here" it's not the word fk that's the police officers main issue.

Thanks for taking the trouble to write that justification for the use of bad language to strangers. I read it carefully, but still believe that the person in the original story was taking the opportunity to be unnecessarily rude to a couple of policemen, and was rejoicing in the fact that he could get away with it (or so he thought).

The policemen were quite right to pull him up about it. It's all very well for a group of people to swear at each other if that is what they are all used to, in fact it can be a good bonding exercise and promote a team spirit. But those people should keep it to themselves, and learn that it's not appropriate language to use when dealing with people from outside their own group.

[Scuffers]

Seems to me your fixated on the uniform (and implied authority of it) rather than the personal safety issues.

If you enter a workspace that your not familiar with, you need to submit to the authority of that place, and if that means getting shouted at when your in the wrong place, suck it up and do as your told.

[singlecoil]

Scuffers said:

Seems to me you're fixated on the uniform (and implied authority of it) rather than the personal safety issues.

If you enter a workspace that you're not familiar with, you need to submit to the authority of that place, and if that means getting shouted at when you're in the wrong place, suck it up and do as you're told.

I hope that wasn't addressed to me (hint, avoid doubt, use the quote feature). Anyway assuming it was aimed at me then I am happy to be able to tell you that you are absolutely wrong, that the operative in the original story would have been equally wrong to use such language to anyone, uniform or not.

Incidentally, such authority as the police have does not derive from the uniform.