You Must Never Give BIBs a Bollocking In Public Ever
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Scuffers said:
Seems to me your fixated on the uniform (and implied authority of it) rather than the personal safety issues.
If you enter a workspace that your not familiar with, you need to submit to the authority of that place, and if that means getting shouted at when your in the wrong place, suck it up and do as your told.
The authority isn't the issue though is it, its being sworn at that is.If you enter a workspace that your not familiar with, you need to submit to the authority of that place, and if that means getting shouted at when your in the wrong place, suck it up and do as your told.
Edited by Greendubber on Saturday 5th April 07:58
Greendubber said:
The authority isn't the issue though is it, its being sworn at that is.
in which case, suck it up.are you going to tell me that if they had not been uniformed officers, and the same scenario played out they would have acted any differently?
if I walked into a hazardous area (for whatever reason) and got shouted/swarn at, I would consider myself in the wrong for being there.
Scuffers said:
in which case, suck it up.
are you going to tell me that if they had not been uniformed officers, and the same scenario played out they would have acted any differently?
if I walked into a hazardous area (for whatever reason) and got shouted/swarn at, I would consider myself in the wrong for being there.
I would hope they would act differently.are you going to tell me that if they had not been uniformed officers, and the same scenario played out they would have acted any differently?
if I walked into a hazardous area (for whatever reason) and got shouted/swarn at, I would consider myself in the wrong for being there.
If the person transpired to be the owner, the person paying for them to be doing the job, then swearing at them in that way may well move them off that job and perhaps a lot closer to unemployment generally.
Scuffers said:
in which case, suck it up.
are you going to tell me that if they had not been uniformed officers, and the same scenario played out they would have acted any differently?
if I walked into a hazardous area (for whatever reason) and got shouted/swarn at, I would consider myself in the wrong for being there.
I don't need to suck anything up thank you very much.are you going to tell me that if they had not been uniformed officers, and the same scenario played out they would have acted any differently?
if I walked into a hazardous area (for whatever reason) and got shouted/swarn at, I would consider myself in the wrong for being there.
If you think that swearing at people is acceptable then that says more about you than it does me as its not hard to convey a message of urgency without swearing at people.
Siscar said:
I would hope they would act differently.
If the person transpired to be the owner, the person paying for them to be doing the job, then swearing at them in that way may well move them off that job and perhaps a lot closer to unemployment generally.
because being the big man is far more important than risking your long term health?If the person transpired to be the owner, the person paying for them to be doing the job, then swearing at them in that way may well move them off that job and perhaps a lot closer to unemployment generally.
many moons ago, there used to be a steel works near me, and as a student, we got taken around a few times.
as you can imagine, there were plenty of opportunities to get seriously injured or killed there (they had a running average of about 1-2 deaths per month at the time).
if you were somewhere you should not be, you did not get a polite invitation to vacate, you got shouted out LOUDLY, no matter who you were.
a 6 tonne white hot ingot does not give a stuff if your important or not, you will just be dead, or if the stip mill had a cobble you don't wait for the polite invite to run!
now, asbestos is not loud, or obvious, but it's still deadly, and walking past warnings etc is asking for trouble, would that have done the same if it was a nuclear warning on the door?
Scuffers said:
Siscar said:
I would hope they would act differently.
If the person transpired to be the owner, the person paying for them to be doing the job, then swearing at them in that way may well move them off that job and perhaps a lot closer to unemployment generally.
because being the big man is far more important than risking your long term health?If the person transpired to be the owner, the person paying for them to be doing the job, then swearing at them in that way may well move them off that job and perhaps a lot closer to unemployment generally.
many moons ago, there used to be a steel works near me, and as a student, we got taken around a few times.
as you can imagine, there were plenty of opportunities to get seriously injured or killed there (they had a running average of about 1-2 deaths per month at the time).
if you were somewhere you should not be, you did not get a polite invitation to vacate, you got shouted out LOUDLY, no matter who you were.
a 6 tonne white hot ingot does not give a stuff if your important or not, you will just be dead, or if the stip mill had a cobble you don't wait for the polite invite to run!
now, asbestos is not loud, or obvious, but it's still deadly, and walking past warnings etc is asking for trouble, would that have done the same if it was a nuclear warning on the door?
singlecoil said:
Either you are still missing the point, or in your world there is no difference between shouting loudly and swearing.
if you can't deal with being swarn at, I would suggest being a policeman is not the job for you.are you some kind of pedant? ie, the language used is more important than the message it coveys?
Look, nobody enjoys being swarn at, however, in a dangerous situation, I don't care what language is used so long as the message is clear, makes zero odds if your wearing a uniform or not.
Scuffers said:
singlecoil said:
Either you are still missing the point, or in your world there is no difference between shouting loudly and swearing.
If you can't deal with being sworn at, I would suggest being a policeman is not the job for you.are you some kind of pedant? ie, the language used is more important than the message it coveys?
Look, nobody enjoys being sworn at, however, in a dangerous situation, I don't care what language is used so long as the message is clear, makes zero odds if you're wearing a uniform or not.
singlecoil said:
Still missing the point then, I see.
clearly?try making it again so that I understand it then?
way I see it, your suggesting that the wrongs of swearing as a warning far outweigh the warning itself, even to the point that it's a life threatening situation.
way I see it, swearing (in this context) is a way of emphasizing the message, nothing more, same as me using a bigger typeface and capitols in the written media form.
Swearing is an incredibly ineffective means of communication, it provokes the person to which it is directed as opposed to informing them.
Anyone who starts a sentence "Get the fk out you fking idiots" is a pretty inarticulate idiot even if he does follow it with "this place is full of asbestos".
I have to wonder if this thread would have got anywhere if it didn't involved the police, it is objectionable but more importantly it is an ineffective way to react.
Anyone who starts a sentence "Get the fk out you fking idiots" is a pretty inarticulate idiot even if he does follow it with "this place is full of asbestos".
I have to wonder if this thread would have got anywhere if it didn't involved the police, it is objectionable but more importantly it is an ineffective way to react.
Imagine the uproar on a thread about a police officer telling someone "get out of this live carriage way you f
king idiot"
Chance of being killed a damn sight higher than walking into the OP's building site situation.
"The nasty policeman swore at me", "they police by consent" and "respect needs to be earnt" replies would be banded about along with "they cant talk to me like that" and "make a complaint" etc etc usual rubbish...
Its alright when it comes from a builder though..
king idiot"Chance of being killed a damn sight higher than walking into the OP's building site situation.
"The nasty policeman swore at me", "they police by consent" and "respect needs to be earnt" replies would be banded about along with "they cant talk to me like that" and "make a complaint" etc etc usual rubbish...
Its alright when it comes from a builder though..
nope, I would have no problem having an officer shout that at me (If I was stupid enough to be there in the first place).
in fact, I have has a policeman swear at me in the past, and yes, I probably deserved it at the time, I did not get into a philosophical conversation about if it was appropriate use of language either.
in fact, I have has a policeman swear at me in the past, and yes, I probably deserved it at the time, I did not get into a philosophical conversation about if it was appropriate use of language either.
Scuffers said:
singlecoil said:
Still missing the point then, I see.
clearly?try making it again so that I understand it then?
way I see it, your suggesting that the wrongs of swearing as a warning far outweigh the warning itself, even to the point that it's a life threatening situation.
way I see it, swearing (in this context) is a way of emphasizing the message, nothing more, same as me using a bigger typeface and capitols in the written media form.
In my world, and although I am not a policeman I will presume to suggest that in their world too, swearing at people is more than just emphasising a massage. Depending on the context it can be threatening, provocative, abusive and demonstrate a complete lack of respect for the other person's feelings and/or position.
And, of course, as has been pointed out by others, it's unnecessary and a very bad way of communicating, unless the person being sworn out is part of the swearing 'community'.
singlecoil said:
In my world, and although I am not a policeman I will presume to suggest that in their world too, swearing at people is more than just emphasising a massage. Depending on the context it can be threatening, provocative, abusive and demonstrate a complete lack of respect for the other person's feelings and/or position.
it's 100% context related though, that's the point.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff