You Must Never Give BIBs a Bollocking In Public Ever

[Rovinghawk]

Or "Out, now!", as we are told actually happened.

[Siscar]

Rovinghawk said:

Or "Out, now!", as we are told actually happened.

OP said:

The stripper shouted at the Police "OUT NOW!" . Instead of leaving the Police initially stood their ground. The stripper then shouted "Get to fk out you fking idiots this place is full of asbestos".

"Out now, this place is full of asbestos" might have worked. But 'Out now' on it's own to police investigating what is happening isn't going to work too well and calling then fking idiots is, frankly, idiotic.

[Red Devil]

Eclassy said:

La Liga said:

o because it's a daily occurrence it's OK?

It doesnt make it okay but why are the police so precious about it? If other people suck it up and get on with their jobs why cant the police do that? They should realise by now that not everyone loves the police. Threatning someone with an arrest for telling you to ''get the fk out'' of his contaminated and restricted work area is an abuse of power/authority IMHO.

It has nothing to do with not loving the police in this instance. It was a hazardous workplace.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

There were no bystanders present as far as we know. Just the operative and his supervisor. So what would be the offence and grounds for arrest?

[Vaud]

55palfers said:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/coi-se-msasbestos...

Asbestos - serious st

4000 deaths each year, 40 years of exposure to work out of system.

If this story is true then the guy was following his training.

Though the 4000 is more from long term exposure than one time events. Like the Armley asbestos factory and surrounding housing estate...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armley_asbestos_disas...

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

Einion Yrth said:

I'd figure that if they want to inhale asbestos dust that's their issue. I'd tell them the signs weren't lying, of course.

They could get a police medic to cure them:

Always liked that picture.

How do you think they get to practice their skills?

[Eclassy]

La Liga said:

t really depends on what standards and behaviour you want in society. I'm not talking about this specific incident, but I don't want it to be the the norm for people in other jobs you describe to have to face abuse and have to "suck it up".

I sucked it up for 18 months as a contact centre agent but I got fed up and just decided not to turn up for work one day after months of constant abuse (best decision I ever made). There are people out there getting it everyday. Wont it be seen as wasting police resources if every teacher, nurse, parking warden e.t.c turned up everyday at their local nick to report yet another 'crime' of being sworn at/verbally abused? Why then are the police themselves wasting resources on issues where the only thing thats been hurt is their ego?

[Eclassy]

Red Devil said:

It has nothing to do with not loving the police in this instance. It was a hazardous workplace.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

There were no bystanders present as far as we know. Just the operative and his supervisor. So what would be the offence and grounds for arrest?

Trust me...it is very easy to make one up. The police tell no lies so whatever they say is gospel.

[Derek Smith]

55palfers said:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/coi-se-msasbestos...

Asbestos - serious st

4000 deaths each year, 40 years of exposure to work out of system.

If this story is true then the guy was following his training.

A cousin of mine's husband died from asbestoses. Worked for Greenwich council for years, then got ill and for 12 years was all but an invalid. 12 years is a long time, but not long enough to obtain compensation it would appear.

In his last days he retained fluid and the hospital was unable to vent it. It was an horrific way to die.

The chances of contracting the illness from a single exposure is small, very small. The likelihood increases on repeated exposures. My cousin, the chap's wife, has regular checks as she was exposed to the asbestos by washing his clothes. It would also stick to his skin and hair. The problem is that the stuff is microscopic, which is what makes it dangerous. From what my cousin said, anything bigger would have been expelled, anything smaller would have gone through.

The real idiot here, I might suggest, is the person who seems happy to work with asbestos.

From what I saw of my cousin's husband, and I didn't see him for a year before his death, there is no way I'd go near it.

Check out man-made mineral fibre as well. You'll be more careful what you put on the bonfire.

[Rovinghawk]

La Liga said:

Always liked that picture.

Always wanted the right context to display it.

[Snowboy]

La Liga said:

Rovinghawk said:

Einion Yrth said:

I'd figure that if they want to inhale asbestos dust that's their issue. I'd tell them the signs weren't lying, of course.

They could get a police medic to cure them:

Always liked that picture.

How do you think they get to practice their skills?

It's a fun picture.
Obviously it shows that a cop medic is a cop first and a medic second. But it's fun to joke about it.
But whenever I see stuff like that and see people complaining about police 'brutality' I wonder if perhaps next May Day the police should just have the day off and we could let the anti-police people control the protest. And then bill them for the damage.

[Rovinghawk]

Derek Smith said:

The real idiot here, I might suggest, is the person who seems happy to work with asbestos.

You might be surprised just how many building products 1970-2000 contain asbestos, ie pretty much anything that needed bulking up. I can more or less guarantee that something in your house will contain some.

[anonymous-user]

Eclassy said:

There are people out there getting it everyday.

Like the police do, but they're the ones who are able to do something about it. Again, not talking about this incident, but people who want to conduct themselves like you've described in public are likely to find themselves in a cell.

[Snowboy]

Eclassy said:

I sucked it up for 18 months as a contact centre agent but I got fed up and just decided not to turn up for work one day after months of constant abuse (best decision I ever made). There are people out there getting it everyday. Wont it be seen as wasting police resources if every teacher, nurse, parking warden e.t.c turned up everyday at their local nick to report yet another 'crime' of being sworn at/verbally abused? Why then are the police themselves wasting resources on issues where the only thing thats been hurt is their ego?

Am I understanding you correctly here?
You're saying that swearing at a call centre operator is the same as swearing at a uniformed on duty cop?

[Eclassy]

Snowboy said:

Sorry for the snip, but I think I got the general thrust of your question.

I did start to write a sensible reply about authority, warrant cards, and what the authority of the police represents.
But I deleted it.

I'm going to credit you with the intelligence that you already KNOW why police are different.
You're just don't like the answer so you're fighting against it.

I will like to credit your intelligence as well that you already know swearing at police isnt a crime moreso when done in a private place. Police officers arent special and do a job like anyone else. They should start being men and stop being so precious which is what the High Court judge said (not in exact words)in the case referenced below .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

[Eclassy]

La Liga said:

ike the police do, but they're the ones who are able to do something about it. Again, not talking about this incident, but people who want to conduct themselves like you've described in public are likely to find themselves in a cell.

But this wasnt in public, It was in a room in a council property that had been signed to the public to keep off.

Would the police like everyone who faces verbal abuse in their job everyday to report this crime to them?

I came across this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knH51LX1e8Y on here. Why wasnt this chap arrested? Because he commited no crime! The police genrally dont like to deal with ''innocent'' people who know their rights. The chap in this video was very rude but he broke no laws. Again it isnt a crime to be rude to the police.

Edited by Eclassy on Wednesday 26th March 10:12

[Phil Dicky]

AdeTuono said:

Tell the truth; he was cooking crystal meth, wasn't he?

[Snowboy]

Eclassy said:

I will like to credit your intelligence as well that you already know swearing at police isnt a crime moreso when done in a private place. Police officers arent special and do a job like anyone else. They should start being men and stop being so precious which is what the High Court judge said (not in exact words)in the case referenced below .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

That link us about the use of foul language when speaking to the police. It's an old story and has been discussed many times.

It's quite different than direct insults at the police.
Asbestosmans second phrase, as quoted in the OP, was to call the police 'fking idiots'.
That's really not a sensible way to interact with authority.

[Eclassy]

Snowboy said:

Am I understanding you correctly here?
You're saying that swearing at a call centre operator is the same as swearing at a uniformed on duty cop?

Thats what I feel but I may be wrong. Can you show me where it is written that it is a greater ''crime'' to swear at police than maybe a mere contact centre agent. You are somehow suggesting policemen are special and shouldnt work to the same conditons hundreds of thousand of other people have to work to.

I have seen it at post offices where they put a sign up that they will press for prosecution for verbal abuse. I strongly doubt the police have any more special status when it coems to abuse than post office workers, nurses and even contact centre agents.

[Vaud]

Snowboy said:

Asbestosmans second phrase, as quoted in the OP, was to call the police 'fking idiots'.
That's really not a sensible way to interact with authority.

I suspect the police would have spoken in a similar way to a member of the public who did something really stupid as a way of making a point. I have no problem with that providing it is in moderation.

"Walking across that live railway line is a fking stupid thing to do" or "You are a fking idiot for playing in the 3rd lane of the motorway" would be fine to provide emphasis. A continual tirade of abuse would not be.

All about context, repetition and emphasis?

[Rovinghawk]

Snowboy said:

Asbestosmans second phrase, as quoted in the OP, was to call the police 'fking idiots'.
That's really not a sensible way to interact with authority.

They walk past an asbestos warning sign to see a man in protective clothing & respirator doing what probably looked like asbestos removal. They were told to leave in an urgent tone & didn't.

The term 'fking idiots' would seem an accurate description,

That's really not a sensible way to interact with asbestos removers.