A friend was mugged at knife point but...
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TonyRPH said:
He reported it to the police who appeared to be relatively uninterested.
Using Google maps, he has managed to track his mobile phone to a fairly specific area, and has notified the police to this effect, however the response was "saving lives is more important".
What a shame.
I'm sorry....but bUsing Google maps, he has managed to track his mobile phone to a fairly specific area, and has notified the police to this effect, however the response was "saving lives is more important".
What a shame.
ks.There is no way any call taker or BIB, Sgt or otherwise is going to say that if a genuine knife point robbery has actually taken place. Robbery is one of the most serious offences against the person after the obvious. Saving lives is more important is not something any call handler or PC would say. If this has genuinely happened like you say, contact the PSD, or failing that IPCC, because all the phone recordings will be just that, recorded. And if that was actually said in response to a report of a knife point robbery, someone needs re-training.
Tony this needs to be reported properly if that's not already been done. As Mk3 and others say - knifepoint robbery should be, and in every case I know has been, taken seriously.
If he's been able to track the phone then that may help, but there's a whole load of practical and evidential hoops to jump through.
Just as important, maybe more so - will be his description of the suspects and anything else they said or did - they may not have travelled very far to do this.
As for the person who said about saving lives......they shouldn't have - whoever they are, and speaking to someone in a supervisory capacity may get things moving in the right direction.
Also....by reporting it your friend should get the offer of victim support which will probably be of some help to him.
If he's been able to track the phone then that may help, but there's a whole load of practical and evidential hoops to jump through.
Just as important, maybe more so - will be his description of the suspects and anything else they said or did - they may not have travelled very far to do this.
As for the person who said about saving lives......they shouldn't have - whoever they are, and speaking to someone in a supervisory capacity may get things moving in the right direction.
Also....by reporting it your friend should get the offer of victim support which will probably be of some help to him.
Mk3Spitfire said:
TonyRPH said:
He reported it to the police who appeared to be relatively uninterested.
Using Google maps, he has managed to track his mobile phone to a fairly specific area, and has notified the police to this effect, however the response was "saving lives is more important".
What a shame.
I'm sorry....but bUsing Google maps, he has managed to track his mobile phone to a fairly specific area, and has notified the police to this effect, however the response was "saving lives is more important".
What a shame.
ks.There is no way any call taker or BIB, Sgt or otherwise is going to say that if a genuine knife point robbery has actually taken place. Robbery is one of the most serious offences against the person after the obvious. Saving lives is more important is not something any call handler or PC would say. If this has genuinely happened like you say, contact the PSD, or failing that IPCC, because all the phone recordings will be just that, recorded. And if that was actually said in response to a report of a knife point robbery, someone needs re-training.
However.
He managed to push some tracking software to the phone, and nailed it down to a specific Wireless SSID at a (fairly) specific postcode location.
Armed with this information, he returned to the police station, where on this second visit he was met with a more positive response, upon producing the new information he had.
The investigation continues.
ETA: Fixed spelling.
Edited by TonyRPH on Sunday 30th March 11:19
Mk3Spitfire said:
I'm sorry....but bks.
There is no way any call taker or BIB, Sgt or otherwise is going to say that.
Its sad that this a response to a call for advice. Anyyhing negative against the police is reported to be bks.There is no way any call taker or BIB, Sgt or otherwise is going to say that.
ks.Not saying all are bad, just as shame that sometimes folk can't hold their hands up and say we may have made a mistake.
I recently had reason to go into the police station to report a threat against me. An individual tried to open my car door so I drove off. He jumped in his car and followed me. To get past me he drives on a bus lane and jumps a red light and gets ahead of me.
I suspect something is about to happen so the camera starts rolling and then he comes to an abrupt stop, parked across the A road I am travelling on, blocking me/the people behind me and cars coming in the other direction. He got out and marches towards me and bangs on my window, then he sees the camera. He returns to his car and zooms off. He goes round a roundabout ahead twice so he is now behind me again. At a set of traffic lights. He comes beside me and starts to talk. I can hear nothing but the camera starts to roll again and I get him on video crossing over from his lane over chevron markings with a Continuos boundary line to try to side swipe me.
I felt threatened so I abort my journey and immediately head for the local nick. I relate the story to the desk staff (not a police officer) and his exact reply was:
"I cant see a crime having been committed. If this person you are reporting makes a counter allegation against you, you will be arrested"
I was shocked! I ask for his name to make a complaint and tell him I will call 999 from inside the nick and that was when he decided to seek advice from a sergeant who told him to book it in under a section 5 or maybe 4. Must an arm be dangling before action is taken? And I even have all this on video!
I suspect something is about to happen so the camera starts rolling and then he comes to an abrupt stop, parked across the A road I am travelling on, blocking me/the people behind me and cars coming in the other direction. He got out and marches towards me and bangs on my window, then he sees the camera. He returns to his car and zooms off. He goes round a roundabout ahead twice so he is now behind me again. At a set of traffic lights. He comes beside me and starts to talk. I can hear nothing but the camera starts to roll again and I get him on video crossing over from his lane over chevron markings with a Continuos boundary line to try to side swipe me.
I felt threatened so I abort my journey and immediately head for the local nick. I relate the story to the desk staff (not a police officer) and his exact reply was:
"I cant see a crime having been committed. If this person you are reporting makes a counter allegation against you, you will be arrested"
I was shocked! I ask for his name to make a complaint and tell him I will call 999 from inside the nick and that was when he decided to seek advice from a sergeant who told him to book it in under a section 5 or maybe 4. Must an arm be dangling before action is taken? And I even have all this on video!
Greendubber said:
Eclassy, what threat was made against you?
The desk assistant was probably right then. If you, who I believe is a policeman sees no reason for me to feel threatened by this individual from the story as I have narrated, then maybe I was just being so precious about it. I'll tell the PC to forget about investigating it as an internet policeman told me there was no threat, alarm or distress caused to me.
In response to the OP, I work on a unit which deals directly with such crimes. Unfortunately. Whilst Track my Phone and similar are great tools, they can sometimes be thoroughly inaccurate. We spent the best part of an afternoon trying to recover an IMac from a bunch of houses where the tracking seemed slightly off kilter.
However, I would be surprised and disappointed if this is the attitude you were presented with from the call taker. It certainly, isn't the attitude you would receive from the members of my team.
It's sometimes down to luck, if the group of addresses within the tracking contained the home of a known villain with previous for the same crime, that door would probably be kicked down.
However, I would be surprised and disappointed if this is the attitude you were presented with from the call taker. It certainly, isn't the attitude you would receive from the members of my team.
It's sometimes down to luck, if the group of addresses within the tracking contained the home of a known villain with previous for the same crime, that door would probably be kicked down.
Eclassy said:
I recently had reason to go into the police station to report a threat against me. An individual tried to open my car door so I drove off. He jumped in his car and followed me. To get past me he drives on a bus lane and jumps a red light and gets ahead of me.
I suspect something is about to happen so the camera starts rolling and then he comes to an abrupt stop, parked across the A road I am travelling on, blocking me/the people behind me and cars coming in the other direction. He got out and marches towards me and bangs on my window, then he sees the camera. He returns to his car and zooms off. He goes round a roundabout ahead twice so he is now behind me again. At a set of traffic lights. He comes beside me and starts to talk. I can hear nothing but the camera starts to roll again and I get him on video crossing over from his lane over chevron markings with a Continuos boundary line to try to side swipe me.
I felt threatened so I abort my journey and immediately head for the local nick. I relate the story to the desk staff (not a police officer) and his exact reply was:
"I cant see a crime having been committed. If this person you are reporting makes a counter allegation against you, you will be arrested"
I was shocked! I ask for his name to make a complaint and tell him I will call 999 from inside the nick and that was when he decided to seek advice from a sergeant who told him to book it in under a section 5 or maybe 4. Must an arm be dangling before action is taken? And I even have all this on video!
Nobody randomly picks on another motorist, so....I suspect something is about to happen so the camera starts rolling and then he comes to an abrupt stop, parked across the A road I am travelling on, blocking me/the people behind me and cars coming in the other direction. He got out and marches towards me and bangs on my window, then he sees the camera. He returns to his car and zooms off. He goes round a roundabout ahead twice so he is now behind me again. At a set of traffic lights. He comes beside me and starts to talk. I can hear nothing but the camera starts to roll again and I get him on video crossing over from his lane over chevron markings with a Continuos boundary line to try to side swipe me.
I felt threatened so I abort my journey and immediately head for the local nick. I relate the story to the desk staff (not a police officer) and his exact reply was:
"I cant see a crime having been committed. If this person you are reporting makes a counter allegation against you, you will be arrested"
I was shocked! I ask for his name to make a complaint and tell him I will call 999 from inside the nick and that was when he decided to seek advice from a sergeant who told him to book it in under a section 5 or maybe 4. Must an arm be dangling before action is taken? And I even have all this on video!
Be honest,.... What did you do in the five minutes before hand, and IF you did make a mistake in your driving! did you try and apologise?
From, your description, that guys was so irate, whatever you did was bad?
Hol said:
Nobody randomly picks on another motorist, so....
Be honest,.... What did you do in the five minutes before hand, and IF you did make a mistake in your driving! did you try and apologise?
From, your description, that guys was so irate, whatever you did was bad?
I ran over his garden gnome Be honest,.... What did you do in the five minutes before hand, and IF you did make a mistake in your driving! did you try and apologise?
From, your description, that guys was so irate, whatever you did was bad?
Eclassy said:
The desk assistant was probably right then. If you, who I believe is a policeman sees no reason for me to feel threatened by this individual from the story as I have narrated, then maybe I was just being so precious about it. I'll tell the PC to forget about investigating it as an internet policeman told me there was no threat, alarm or distress caused to me.
I simply asked what threat was made against you... a threat to steal your car, kick your head in etc as it would have allowed me to decide if it was for example an attempted robbery or a public order offence.However, based on your reply I'll leave you to it.
I must say how unlucky you and your circle of friends appear to be.
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