A friend was mugged at knife point but...

[Eclassy]

Greendubber said:

I simply asked what threat was made against you... a threat to steal your car, kick your head in etc as it would have allowed me to decide if it was for example an attempted robbery or a public order offence.

However, based on your reply I'll leave you to it.

I must say how unlucky you and your circle of friends appear to be.

I strongly believe your question was an attempt to ridicule me as you have done in my thread. I may have believed wrongly and you could have been trying to help me. I wouldnt hold my breath on you trying to help me out though

I narrated the story as it happened and clearly stated I didn't hear what he was saying. Should I have politely asked this individual if he was planning to steal my car or kick my head in?

[Greendubber]

Eclassy said:

I strongly believe your question was an attempt to ridicule me as you have done in my thread. I may have believed wrongly and you could have been trying to help me. I wouldnt hold my breath on you trying to help me out though

I narrated the story as it happened and clearly stated I didn't hear what he was saying. Should I have politely asked this individual if he was planning to steal my car or kick my head in?

It was a perfectly legitimate question and one I would ask if I was dealing with you but as I said I'll leave you to it.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Greendubber said:

It was a perfectly legitimate question and one I would ask if I was dealing with you but as I said I'll leave you to it.

It has to be said Eclassy, I would put money on there having been some background to the incident. Of course, we will never know.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Eclassy said:

I wouldnt hold my breath on you trying to help me out though

You might be surprised.

[ali_kat]

Greendubber said:

I must say how unlucky you and your circle of friends appear to be.

Indeed!

[XCP]

100 % free range fun.

Is that an advertising banner hanging over the road?

[Eclassy]

XCP said:

100 % free range fun.

Is that an advertising banner hanging over the road?

LOL

Of course not. Its a screen shot from the video and its an advertising banner in the free video player I use on my phone.

[Hol]

Eclassy said:

Hol said:

Nobody randomly picks on another motorist, so....

Be honest,.... What did you do in the five minutes before hand, and IF you did make a mistake in your driving! did you try and apologise?


From, your description, that guys was so irate, whatever you did was bad?

I ran over his garden gnome

Some of us are trying to decide if this is a true story, or not.

By the above statement, should we assume you drove over his garden, or some such?

Or, are you just avoiding the question on purpose???

[XCP]

Eclassy said:

LOL

Of course not. Its a screen shot from the video and its an advertising banner in the free video player I use on my phone.

Bear with me I am a simple soul. My phone doesn't even have a camera.

[Rick101]

Mk3Spitfire said:

Greendubber said:

It was a perfectly legitimate question and one I would ask if I was dealing with you but as I said I'll leave you to it.

It has to be said Eclassy, I would put money on there having been some background to the incident. Of course, we will never know.

Agreed. It works both ways. I'll happily jibe at the police when they actually have messed up but the complaint needs to be full and honest.

[andy_s]

Original case officers should deal, the phone is probably not being kept by the original authors of the attack (almost definitely not - it links them to the crime after all and they sometimes have tracking software....).

The phone is probably one or more likely three degrees of separation to the perpetrators.

It is on a wifi but is it in the house the wifi is 'attached' to or next door but one or across the road...

I can only see that quoted response being actually said if the call taker concerned was indifferent about staying employed.

[Snowboy]

If the op is true I wonder how the conversation went to have the operator say
"saving lives is more important"

I could imagine that if the OP was arguing about fighting back and the police advice was to let the muggers take your stuff then it would make sense in context.

Whether I believe the op or not is irrelevant.
But what is true is that we've been given a very small part of the story.
Or - to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, he's been given a very small part of the story by his mate.

[TonyRPH]

I kept my OP brief, not to make the situation look worse than it is, but to convey a point.

I could have related a blow by blow account of the event, but I thought that to be a bit pointless, as few people tend to read lengthy posts.

I for one have always had th eutmost respect for the Police force, given that every weekend, many of them become babysitters to a bunch of people who don't know when to stop drinking.

I personally couldn't do that job.

We are led to believe that there are staffing issues - whether that's countrywide or specific forces I don't know.

Perhaps my friend reported his crime at a busy time, I don't know.

Either way - what happened, happened.

As per my update, further action is now being taken.

[Greendubber]

Out of interest how long after the incident was it reported to the Police?

And yes sadly there are staffing issues in all areas. It would shock you how few officers are on duty at any one time. I know where I am we're failing response times because they've spread us too thin. The solution is have more officers but they're trying all manner of silly solutions like single crewing everyone (not enough cars/vans) and not letting us have a grub break on an 11 hour shift. Huge health and safety issues with single crewing and also driving for 11 hours isnt much fun....bus drivers and lorry drivers must have rest breaks.... but Police dobt. Crimes shooting up, people are getting a rubbish service but that'll all be glossed over so it looks like its not down to the cuts.

Brilliant eh?

[Devil2575]

Eclassy said:

"I cant see a crime having been committed. If this person you are reporting makes a counter allegation against you, you will be arrested"

Eh? What counter allegation would they make? Why would you be arrested?

This doesn't make sense in the context of your story. It implies that something you did to the other person would be an arrestable offence.

[Eclassy]

Devil2575 said:

Eh? What counter allegation would they make? Why would you be arrested?

This doesn't make sense in the context of your story. It implies that something you did to the other person would be an arrestable offence.

I have absolutely no reason to lie on a faceless forum (many think otherwise). Thats what the chap at the desk told me when I related the story to him. He didnt seem interested. I should mention that he was on what I assume was a private call when I got to the door and he took his time to buzz me in.

When I admonished him for trying to fob me off, he kept saying "I am a professional officer and I take my work seriously". Surely this guy isnt a police officer. He was one of those guys with uniforms that look like the dinner lady's one.

[Snowboy]

Is it just coincidence that people who seem argumentative and who seem to hate the police always seem to get into arguments and have trouble with the police.

But people who seem civil and well mannered rarely seem to have real life problems with the police.

[10 Pence Short]

Eclassy said:

I have absolutely no reason to lie on a faceless forum (many think otherwise). Thats what the chap at the desk told me when I related the story to him. He didnt seem interested. I should mention that he was on what I assume was a private call when I got to the door and he took his time to buzz me in.

When I admonished him for trying to fob me off, he kept saying "I am a professional officer and I take my work seriously". Surely this guy isnt a police officer. He was one of those guys with uniforms that look like the dinner lady's one.

Do you think that incident is in any way affecting your judgement regards your friend's recent dealings with the Police?

[Devil2575]

Eclassy said:

I have absolutely no reason to lie on a faceless forum (many think otherwise). Thats what the chap at the desk told me when I related the story to him. He didnt seem interested. I should mention that he was on what I assume was a private call when I got to the door and he took his time to buzz me in.

When I admonished him for trying to fob me off, he kept saying "I am a professional officer and I take my work seriously". Surely this guy isnt a police officer. He was one of those guys with uniforms that look like the dinner lady's one.

Did you ask him what you would be charged with?

In your situation this would have been my first question. Based on what I have told you what did I do wrong?

His response implies that you were the one on the wrong side of the law, not the person you were complaining about.

Why the person you spoke to thought this is pretty important to understanding your experience.

If I was accosted in my car and followed/harassed in the way you describe i'd certainly want to understand the reasoning behind the response.

[Eclassy]

Devil2575 said:

Did you ask him what you would be charged with?

In your situation this would have been my first question. Based on what I have told you what did I do wrong?

His response implies that you were the one on the wrong side of the law, not the person you were complaining about.

Why the person you spoke to thought this is pretty important to understanding your experience.

If I was accosted in my car and followed/harassed in the way you describe i'd certainly want to understand the reasoning behind the response.

He probably said it thinking it would make me back off and forget about reporting the 'crime'. Do you really think this guy who had to radio a sergeant to find out what crime had been committed would have any idea what an arrestable offence was?

If filming evidence in a private car park I own and accessible to the public from the safety of my locked car to use in a court case is a crime and an arrestable offence, then the dinner man was right.