"No warranty"?
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Hi all - a little query, an acquaintance of mine has bought a PoS, cheap car (£750) from a private dealer. Within 3 weeks the clutch has gone (no real surprise at that price point I guess) but the question is is there any comeback at that level of the market? He's told her that there's no warranty and while I can (to a certain extent) see his point of view, I'd have thought that as a dealer there is the whole sale of goods act and even at that price point 3 weeks is surely not fit for purpose? To be fair he's (apparently) said he'll put it right (£110) which while it's a kick in the balls is about as much as I'd imagine that most 'dealers' of this level would do. Any thoughts?
itcaptainslow said:
If he's offering to replace the clutch for £110 take it!
A clutch to let go three weeks after purchase on a £10k I'd expect the dealer to do something. On a £750 shed, rather less so-what's the age and mileage of the car?
like I said I'm pretty much in the same boat as you - though there is a part of me that wonders if 'dealer' knew about this.... that being said my advice was pretty much the same as yours - ie take it A clutch to let go three weeks after purchase on a £10k I'd expect the dealer to do something. On a £750 shed, rather less so-what's the age and mileage of the car?
irocfan said:
Hi all - a little query, an acquaintance of mine has bought a PoS, cheap car (£750) from a private dealer. Within 3 weeks the clutch has gone (no real surprise at that price point I guess) but the question is is there any comeback at that level of the market? He's told her that there's no warranty and while I can (to a certain extent) see his point of view, I'd have thought that as a dealer there is the whole sale of goods act and even at that price point 3 weeks is surely not fit for purpose? To be fair he's (apparently) said he'll put it right (£110) which while it's a kick in the balls is about as much as I'd imagine that most 'dealers' of this level would do. Any thoughts?
So you think the sales of goods act covers you then.My point of view is that I despair this point of view.
Its a £750 banger/cheap car.
If you want warranties,care free motoring etc then buy a brand new car.
There come a point where I feel you have to forget about the sales of goods act etc and that's certainly under the £1000 mark.
TPS said:
irocfan said:
Hi all - a little query, an acquaintance of mine has bought a PoS, cheap car (£750) from a private dealer. Within 3 weeks the clutch has gone (no real surprise at that price point I guess) but the question is is there any comeback at that level of the market? He's told her that there's no warranty and while I can (to a certain extent) see his point of view, I'd have thought that as a dealer there is the whole sale of goods act and even at that price point 3 weeks is surely not fit for purpose? To be fair he's (apparently) said he'll put it right (£110) which while it's a kick in the balls is about as much as I'd imagine that most 'dealers' of this level would do. Any thoughts?
So you think the sales of goods act covers you then.My point of view is that I despair this point of view.
Its a £750 banger/cheap car.
If you want warranties,care free motoring etc then buy a brand new car.
There come a point where I feel you have to forget about the sales of goods act etc and that's certainly under the £1000 mark.
I disagree but from a practical pov end at about the same conclusion.
3 weeks is hardly it's purpose and I don't buy "what do you expect at that 'price point' " (OT hate the use of that term)
Presumably the buyer isn't flush and needs a working car and it's probably not the seller's first rodeo.
Perhaps refer to soga etc when trying to negotiate clutch price.
3 weeks is hardly it's purpose and I don't buy "what do you expect at that 'price point' " (OT hate the use of that term)
Presumably the buyer isn't flush and needs a working car and it's probably not the seller's first rodeo.
Perhaps refer to soga etc when trying to negotiate clutch price.
irocfan said:
I'd have thought that as a dealer there is the whole sale of goods act and even at that price point 3 weeks is surely not fit for purpose?
It's all about expectations. A clutch failure is not unexpected from a £750 car. Was it predictable, and could the dealer have been expected to foresee it? Probably not - because, after all, slip or excessive weight or leaking fluid would've been noticeable to your friend when he test-drove it or in that initial three weeks, right? So, short of stripping it down and inspecting it, how's the dealer meant to predict it?Take the £110 offer.
irocfan said:
He's told her that there's no warranty and while I can (to a certain extent) see his point of view, I'd have thought that as a dealer there is the whole sale of goods act
Warranty and Sale of Goods Act aren't the same thing. There's no requirement to offer a warranty at all.irocfan said:
rallycross said:
Yet another idiotic thread with unrealistic expectations of what you get when you buy a car for the price of a decent TV.
and thank you for your delightful insight there. t
tIt would probably cost over £500 to hire a car for three weeks, and if this "dealer" has agreed to sort it, I can't really see your problem.
You asked for opinions, and you are getting them.
pork911 said:
I disagree but from a practical pov end at about the same conclusion.
3 weeks is hardly it's purpose and I don't buy "what do you expect at that 'price point' " (OT hate the use of that term)
Presumably the buyer isn't flush and needs a working car and it's probably not the seller's first rodeo.
Perhaps refer to soga etc when trying to negotiate clutch price.
I'd go with this.3 weeks is hardly it's purpose and I don't buy "what do you expect at that 'price point' " (OT hate the use of that term)
Presumably the buyer isn't flush and needs a working car and it's probably not the seller's first rodeo.
Perhaps refer to soga etc when trying to negotiate clutch price.
If it was a week I'd expect it free,3 weeks I'd expect it done cheap because its borderline at that price,just because its 750 quid it doesnt give the dealer the right to sell any old piece of s
te as some seem to think on here.irocfan said:
Hi all - a little query, an acquaintance of mine has bought a PoS, cheap car (£750) from a private dealer. Within 3 weeks the clutch has gone (no real surprise at that price point I guess) but the question is is there any comeback at that level of the market? He's told her that there's no warranty and while I can (to a certain extent) see his point of view, I'd have thought that as a dealer there is the whole sale of goods act and even at that price point 3 weeks is surely not fit for purpose? To be fair he's (apparently) said he'll put it right (£110) which while it's a kick in the balls is about as much as I'd imagine that most 'dealers' of this level would do. Any thoughts?
The clue is in your statement "no real surprise at that price point I guess"; most people would go into a deal for a car that cheap without great expectations for reliability.If it's clutch wear rather than a knackered cable or hydraulics then it's pretty much impossible to tell when it's going to go until it's gone, since clutches self-adjust. The dealer can't reasonably have known it was a few weeks away from dying, and three weeks is enough time to kill a clutch with a lot of life on it if you drive like a ham-fisted loon. If it is a full clutch replacement, £110 is a good price.
it is an awkward one TBH - as has been pointed out it's the price of (not even) a decent TV so there are certain (very low) expectations, however (as much as all the powerfully built, goatee'd company directors may disagree) to quite a few people this is an awful lot of money. Yes to a lot of us this is total shed material where if it lasts the year that's a result even bearing this in mind, I've have thought that 3 weeks would be below what is reasonable. The attitude of "what do you expect..." etc is precisely why some section of society feel they can get away with all manner of ste with no obligations/responsibilities 
I guess one of the issues (as has also been pointed out!) is this business of 'private/home traders' where there is the (naive) thought might be that you're getting some sort of cover as it's a 'trader' can and does hoodwink some of the more naive amongst us
te with no obligations/responsibilities I guess one of the issues (as has also been pointed out!) is this business of 'private/home traders' where there is the (naive) thought might be that you're getting some sort of cover as it's a 'trader' can and does hoodwink some of the more naive amongst us
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