Blue badge, and council parking ticket.

[Mrs BlueCerbera]

Was the parking ticket for the use of the blue badge, or was it for non payment. I know some council car parks still require those with a blue badge to pay for their parking

[backwoodsman]

TooMany2cvs said:

IanA2 said:

Why on earth was the ticket issued? If the Traffic Warden saw the car parked in a Disabled Bay, displaying a Blue Badge, why would a ticket be forthcoming? Strange days indeed.

Because the traffic warden saw a blue badge issued to a woman on display in a car being driven by an apparently able-bodied man...?

This.

Sounds like he needs to take this further.

I'll pass on the link to this thread, so he can read it himself.

Thanks guys.

[backwoodsman]

IanA2 said:

Well if that is the reason then the warden needs to be re-trained. Many people who qualify for a blue badge have disabilities that might not be immediately (or at all) apparent.

ETA: The visible part of the badge does not identify the gender of the holder & in any case, as already pointed out, another person can use the badge as long as it is for the benefit of the badge holder. Indeed you do not have to own or be able to drive a car, to hold a badge

Edited by IanA2 on Sunday 6th April 14:12

The blue badge now has a picture of the valid user on the front of the badge, to help combat fraud.

[spaximus]

The blue badge scheme is the most abused thing there is. Whilst I have sympathy for a blind person, unless they are also physically unable to walk a long distance, why do they need a blue badge?
My FIL has a blue badge, one of his greatest achievements, he passed all the criteria and yet can walk two hours around a car boot sale. It drives me mad when he circle a car park waiting for his bay to be clear.

[IanA2]

backwoodsman said:

IanA2 said:

Well if that is the reason then the warden needs to be re-trained. Many people who qualify for a blue badge have disabilities that might not be immediately (or at all) apparent.

ETA: The visible part of the badge does not identify the gender of the holder & in any case, as already pointed out, another person can use the badge as long as it is for the benefit of the badge holder. Indeed you do not have to own or be able to drive a car, to hold a badge

Edited by IanA2 on Sunday 6th April 14:12

The blue badge now has a picture of the valid user on the front of the badge, to help combat fraud.

Has it? Can you tell me when this change took place?

[IanA2]

spaximus said:

The blue badge scheme is the most abused thing there is. Whilst I have sympathy for a blind person, unless they are also physically unable to walk a long distance, why do they need a blue badge?
My FIL has a blue badge, one of his greatest achievements, he passed all the criteria and yet can walk two hours around a car boot sale. It drives me mad when he circle a car park waiting for his bay to be clear.

If your FIL has committed a crime and made false representations in order to obtain a Blue Badge, perhaps, instead of assuming that everyone else is also abusing the scheme, you should take steps to ensure that he does not continue to do so.

[NWTony]

Eclassy said:

Maybe because the person he is picking up has a blue badge..... No?

I just don't see the need?

[IanA2]

NWTony said:

I just don't see the need?

Perhaps because the extra space was needed to facilitate the transfer from wheelchair to car, and perhaps because the disabled parking bay was nearer than other (if any) available parking. Just a thought.

[mph1977]

IanA2 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Because the traffic warden saw a blue badge issued to a woman on display in a car being driven by an apparently able-bodied man...?

Well if that is the reason then the warden needs to be re-trained. Many people who qualify for a blue badge have disabilities that might not be immediately (or at all) apparent.

ETA: The visible part of the badge does not identify the gender of the holder & in any case, as already pointed out, another person can use the badge as long as it is for the benefit of the badge holder. Indeed you do not have to own or be able to drive a car, to hold a badge

Edited by IanA2 on Sunday 6th April 14:12

for the benefit of the holder , however requires the holder to be in the car for at least one half of the journey into or away from the parking exemption / disabled space ...

there is confusion with this because of the terms of use of vehicles with 'disabled' VED / motability leased vehicles...

[IanA2]

mph1977 said:

IanA2 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Because the traffic warden saw a blue badge issued to a woman on display in a car being driven by an apparently able-bodied man...?

Well if that is the reason then the warden needs to be re-trained. Many people who qualify for a blue badge have disabilities that might not be immediately (or at all) apparent.

ETA: The visible part of the badge does not identify the gender of the holder & in any case, as already pointed out, another person can use the badge as long as it is for the benefit of the badge holder. Indeed you do not have to own or be able to drive a car, to hold a badge

Edited by IanA2 on Sunday 6th April 14:12

for the benefit of the holder , however requires the holder to be in the car for at least one half of the journey into or away from the parking exemption / disabled space ...

there is confusion with this because of the terms of use of vehicles with 'disabled' VED / motability leased vehicles...

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make. OP states clearly that driver was picking up his disabled wife, the blue badge holder.

ETA: And in any case the law does not in fact require the holder of the badge to be present at all. For example, if husband was picking up wife's prescription, that would be a proper use of the blue badge. Use of the blue badge is for the benefit of the holder. The holder does not need to be present.

Edited by IanA2 on Sunday 6th April 19:51

[Chozza]

Mrs BlueCerbera said:

Was the parking ticket for the use of the blue badge, or was it for non payment.

This is very common so it's worth checking... It's also one of the best way to prevent abuse of the system, everyone pays and the badge just gets the accessible bay.

[kowalski655]

backwoodsman said:

The blue badge now has a picture of the valid user on the front of the badge, to help combat fraud.

unless changed in the last year it is on the back... for security

[IanA2]

kowalski655 said:

backwoodsman said:

The blue badge now has a picture of the valid user on the front of the badge, to help combat fraud.

unless changed in the last year it is on the back... for security

That is my understanding.

[kowalski655]

My wifes one has the pic on the back...which is a shame as it could be used to scare away car thieves otherwise.

[mph1977]

IanA2 said:

mph1977 said:

IanA2 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Because the traffic warden saw a blue badge issued to a woman on display in a car being driven by an apparently able-bodied man...?

Well if that is the reason then the warden needs to be re-trained. Many people who qualify for a blue badge have disabilities that might not be immediately (or at all) apparent.

ETA: The visible part of the badge does not identify the gender of the holder & in any case, as already pointed out, another person can use the badge as long as it is for the benefit of the badge holder. Indeed you do not have to own or be able to drive a car, to hold a badge

Edited by IanA2 on Sunday 6th April 14:12

for the benefit of the holder , however requires the holder to be in the car for at least one half of the journey into or away from the parking exemption / disabled space ...

there is confusion with this because of the terms of use of vehicles with 'disabled' VED / motability leased vehicles...

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make. OP states clearly that driver was picking up his disabled wife, the blue badge holder.

ETA: And in any case the law does not in fact require the holder of the badge to be present at all. For example, if husband was picking up wife's prescription, that would be a proper use of the blue badge. Use of the blue badge is for the benefit of the holder. The holder does not need to be present.

Edited by IanA2 on Sunday 6th April 19:51

You are wrong pure and simple

the blue badge holder must be present for one 'half' of the journey for it to be a valid use of the blue badge , you are conflating the use of zero of VED 'disabled' vehicles with the use of the blue badge .

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2000/682/conten...

http://durham.gov.uk/Pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=...

ttps://www.wirral.gov.uk/my-services/social-care-and-health/im-looking-support/support-council/blue-badges/frequently-asked-questions-blue-badge

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/blue-badge-scheme-a-gui...

http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse-display.sht...

[Who me ?]

backwoodsman said:

The blue badge now has a picture of the valid user on the front of the badge, to help combat fraud.

News to me. Mine was issued in August 2013, and the photo is on the rear. However the nice thing is that since last year , there's been a clamp down on the issue and applicants have to pass an assessment ,based on their walking capabilities.
HOWEVER, certain greedy councils still charge for parking, but allow an extra hour free. Locally we see a greater use of parking on double yellows with a badge, and council leaders mouthing off about this "misuse".

Edited by Who me ? on Sunday 6th April 21:19

[backwoodsman]

kowalski655 said:

unless changed in the last year it is on the back... for security

Sorry my mistake.

[KM666]

Did the FPN specify a reason?

[stuartmmcfc]

Was the badge displayed the wrong way up with the picture on top?

[HereBeMonsters]

Standard parking warden behaviour. Issue ticket now, maybe they won't appeal - I get a nice bonus.