Beware ! Traffic Police and civil parking matters

Beware ! Traffic Police and civil parking matters

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testosterone

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96 posts

212 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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I was driving around Regents park area when i was pulled over by traffic police. Normal B/S ie is this car registered to you etc etc.? I am then informed that there is an outstanding parking ticket on the car and that the baliff standing with them will take the car unless i pay the sum of £670 ! Apparantly i got a parking ticket for parking in a loading bay in earls court at 2pm one morning and was captured on a CCTV camera. The penalty and subsequent correspondence were sent to my old address. Unfortunately i had to pay or be left stranded by the side of the road. I was pulled as the ticket was issued by transport for London and it showed up on the police records. I questioned the police asking why were they stopping me for a civil matter. Normal arrogant traiffic police officer replies that we can stop whoever we want for any reason. Obviously there is so little crime the police have got nothing better to do !

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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4/10 for the final sentence, but otherwise not enough swearing, "haven't you got burglars to catch", and why oh whying. Overall: poor rant, 2/10.

PS: "2 PM one morning", eh? Must have been a hell of a night.

bad company

18,483 posts

265 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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testosterone said:
2pm one morning !
Hmmm 2pm in the morning rolleyes

Agree with Breadvan. Seriously poor rant.

Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
4/10 for the final sentence, but otherwise not enough swearing, "haven't you got burglars to catch", and why oh whying. Overall: poor rant, 2/10.

PS: "2 PM one morning", eh? Must have been a hell of a night.
To be fair Breaders I think he has a point - the police should not be acting as debt collectors.

If the op can seperate that from his obvious dislike of the officer's "attitude" his post has some merit

bad company

18,483 posts

265 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Red 4 said:
To be fair Breaders I think he has a point - the police should not be acting as debt collectors.

If the op can seperate that from his obvious dislike of the officer's "attitude" his post has some merit
But the ticket was issued by TFL not a private parking firm so why not?

Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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bad company said:
Red 4 said:
To be fair Breaders I think he has a point - the police should not be acting as debt collectors.

If the op can seperate that from his obvious dislike of the officer's "attitude" his post has some merit
But the ticket was issued by TFL not a private parking firm so why not?
What has Transport for London got to do with policing ?.

Parking is, as the OP said, in this case - a civil matter.

It's dodgy ground - the police will be on commission next ...




citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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I believe (according to last nights panorama) it is the metropolitan polices policy is not to assist bailiffs to seize or remove goods and monies unless it is in support of a court warrant


NH1

1,333 posts

128 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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It could even happen if the ticket was from before you bought the car. I suggest a read of this, especially post #3.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthr...

If you are stopped in London for no particular reason I suggest you lock the doors and wind the window down just enough to talk to the copper. I don't believe you have to get out, if he has no further use for you then drive off.

I think its sickening myself that the police are being used to enforce debt collecting in this way.

Who me ?

7,455 posts

211 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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I saw that program too. I'm beginning to think that living in a rough area with lots of "understanding neighbours" might not be a bad thing. I've heard of one trying the "peaceful entry " on one rough estate being spotted by friends of the tenant and thinking it was a burglar taking (not so) "civil " action. He made off at warp 5.
Perhaps making Bayleafs open to legal civil action for acting outside their powers and finding another Bayleaf arriving to seize their assets might make them work within the letter of the law . The one featured on Panorama is a case in hand.
Then again ,perhaps if police can assist Bayleafs in parking civil cases, then Police should apply the same principles to other civil cases. The case of the animal ambulance driver with approval to drive in bus lanes etc is another case in hand.

Terminator X

14,921 posts

203 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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You did well to be carrying so much cash with you to pay such a large sum.

TX.

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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TFL fund 2,500 Police including all of the Met's safer transport command (which have been merged with roads Policing).

Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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vonhosen said:
TFL fund 2,500 Police including all of the Met's safer transport command (which have been merged with roads Policing).
You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours ?

A very slippery slope. In my opinion.

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Red 4 said:
vonhosen said:
TFL fund 2,500 Police including all of the Met's safer transport command (which have been merged with roads Policing).
You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours ?

A very slippery slope. In my opinion.
They work together on many initiatives, just like they do with many other agencies. I don't see anything wrong with TFL picking up pieces on the fringe of Police work.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 8th April 21:50

4rephill

5,040 posts

177 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
4/10 for the final sentence, but otherwise not enough swearing, "haven't you got burglars to catch", and why oh whying. Overall: poor rant, 2/10.

PS: "2 PM one morning", eh? Must have been a hell of a night.
I'd deduct a point for failing to tell the Officer: "I pay your wages!"

1/10 for Me!



Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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vonhosen said:
They work together on many initiatives, just like they do with many other agencies. I don't so any thing wrong with TFL picking up pieces on the fringe of Police work.
Maybe, but if TFL are providing funding for police officers and in return police officers are helping TFL to recover debts for unpaid parking tickets that smacks of favouritism to me.

Like I said, police are not debt collectors and should not be involved in any kind of civil enforcement/ recovery.

What next ? Helping private companies with their debt collection because they sponsor a few police vehicles ?

Without fear or FAVOUR, malice or ill will ?


vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Red 4 said:
vonhosen said:
They work together on many initiatives, just like they do with many other agencies. I don't so any thing wrong with TFL picking up pieces on the fringe of Police work.
Maybe, but if TFL are providing funding for police officers and in return police officers are helping TFL to recover debts for unpaid parking tickets that smacks of favouritism to me.

Like I said, police are not debt collectors and should not be involved in any kind of civil enforcement/ recovery.

What next ? Helping private companies with their debt collection because they sponsor a few police vehicles ?

Without fear or FAVOUR, malice or ill will ?
They don't collect the debt.

TFL are funding them for the transport network & crime on it.
The bailiffs would have recovered the debt.

Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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vonhosen said:
They don't collect the debt.

TFL are funding them for the transport network & crime on it.
The bailiffs would have recovered the debt.
I didn't say they did - but police officers are stopping vehicles which are flagged up by bailiff's ANPR systems.

They are assisting bailiffs to collect a debt and using police powers to stop the vehicles under the RTA.

Dodgy ground ...

TFL pay for police (you say). Police help their agents.

I don't think you'll be able to convince me that is right, von. No matter what you say.



Edited by Red 4 on Tuesday 8th April 22:09

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Red 4 said:
vonhosen said:
They don't collect the debt.

TFL are funding them for the transport network & crime on it.
The bailiffs would have recovered the debt.
I didn't say they did - but police officers are stopping vehicles which are flagged up by bailiff's ANPR systems.

They are assisting bailiffs to collect a debt and using police powers to stop the vehicles under the RTA.

Dodgy ground ...

TFL pay for police (you say). Police help their agents.

I don't think you'll be able to convince me that is right, von. No matter what you say.
Don't use TFLs network if you don't want bailiffs who might be hanging around recovering their debts.

NH1

1,333 posts

128 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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I know police can stop you for any reason they want, but am I right in thinking there does have to be a reason all the same. If you are stopped and you ask for what reason, is a random stop a good enough excuse. I only ask because a lot of people carry dash cams nowadays which rebuff the usual things like "you were weaving slightly" or "you didn't give way properly" etc.

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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NH1 said:
I know police can stop you for any reason they want, but am I right in thinking there does have to be a reason all the same. If you are stopped and you ask for what reason, is a random stop a good enough excuse. I only ask because a lot of people carry dash cams nowadays which rebuff the usual things like "you were weaving slightly" or "you didn't give way properly" etc.
Please produce your driving licence, insurance etc is enough.