E-Petition to stop Reduction of Motorway Speed Limit

[singlecoil]

Disco You said:

I agree that people cause pollution, anything else is an untenable position. This is why pointing it out is ridiculous.

Suggesting that the welfare state causes pollution because it encourages people to have more children is a logical fallacy.

Proof by assertion, which is what you are attempting there, is a fallacy.

[SV8Predator]

singlecoil said:

Proof by assertion, which is what you are attempting there, is a fallacy.

fk me, you really could start an argument in an empty room.

[Disco You]

singlecoil said:

Proof by assertion, which is what you are attempting there, is a fallacy.

Proof by assertion is a fallacy, true. But I suggest that you look up its meaning.

SV8Predator said:

singlecoil said:

Proof by assertion, which is what you are attempting there, is a fallacy.

fk me, you really could start an argument in an empty room.

I'm banging my head against a brick wall I see? I think I'll leave this topic here.

[singlecoil]

Disco You said:

singlecoil said:

Proof by assertion, which is what you are attempting there, is a fallacy.

Proof by assertion is a fallacy, true. But I suggest that you look up its meaning.

I know what it means, thanks.

[SV8Predator]

singlecoil said:

I know what it means, thanks.

[oldcynic]

Is this where we come for an argument?

Signed the petition but couldn't see anything in it about children at all.

[donutsina911]

Another thread fked by Singlecoil. As sure as night follows day.

ePetition signed..

[Zuffen]

rich888 said:

We could always play them at their own silly little game and actually drive a little slower like the yanks did in the USA in the 1980s to beat the draconian national 55mph speed limit

So to any younger drivers that are not aware of what kicked off in the USA in the 1980s, all the motoring organisations in the USA who were fed up with the nanny state 55mph limit worked together and asked every member to obey the 55mph limit, well it was utter chaos, and this went on for month after month after month whilst everyone drove at or below the legal limit whilst government departments ran out of supplies as did shops and petrol stations, etc, basically the whole of the USA ground to a halt until the national 55mph speed limit was repealed.

So in the interests of B R A K E B R A K E B R A K E, let's go with the flow, slow down, and chill out, they want 30, or 20 or 10, let's do it, and when Cameron is moaning because of the traffic jams he's continually stuck in in central London, and no food in the supermarkets, or anywhere else for that matter, he might pull his head out of his ar5e, stop giving millions of taxpayers money away to overseas terrorists and to stupid HS2 projects which the country can't afford, and start looking after his own people for a change.

OK, am a bit unrealistic about him looking after the people of this country, but you get my drift for the rest. And bring on the 2015 General Election when we can finally sweep these clowns out of power. Am totally disgusted with this very cosy Lib, Lab Con that has been going on since the mid 1970s, and we desperately need political change in this country if it is to survive into the 21st century instead of becoming a third world nation.

You don't really understand how traffic jams work, do you?

[Devil2575]

jackh707 said:

1 child policy? Where do I sign?

Don't be silly.

A one child policy would cause far more problems than it solved.

It causes big problems with demographics. Old people need young people to look after them and pay taxes to pay their pensions.

Declining birth rates are actually a problem in some countries.

Also 2 children per couple still results in a declining population.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/21/germa...

[Devil2575]

Disco You said:

I agree that people cause pollution, anything else is an untenable position. This is why pointing it out is ridiculous.

Suggesting that the welfare state causes pollution because it encourages people to have more children is a logical fallacy.

Indeed.

Look at the countries with the highest birthrates and those with the lowest.

Those with the highest tend to be the poorest and those with the lowest the richest. This is a generalisation of course but if you want to reduce the rate of population growth you need to educate people and make them better off.

The notion that the welfare state encourages high birthrates is simply not backed up by any facts.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world...

According to the CIA the average Birthrate in 2014 in the EU is estimated to be 1.59 children per woman.

For the hard of thinking this is not enough to maintain the population.

Compare that to the countries on the list where there will be no welfare state in operation, such as Afganistan.

[unimatrix1066]

Done

[Stinkfoot]

All done

[rich888]

Zuffen said:

ou don't really understand how traffic jams work, do you?

Well yes, I've spent hours on end on the Nottingham inner ring road driving along in 1st gear wondering why there are so many hold-ups considering how many traffic lights are installed to ease the flow, so I guess my question is, do you understand how traffic jams work

Thing is, do you actually think that any government minister is going to give a damn about the results of an e-petiton?

The only thing these people pay attention to is when they are actually affected on a day to day basis, and that means real hard traffic jams clogging up the roads for hours on end like those in France when the lorry drivers and the farmers get together, or ahead of a general election when they want your vote and will promise the world despite the rising £4.8 trillion debt mountain all conveniently swept under the carpet.

So wake up, e-petitons are just a way dreamed up by government officials to make you feel like you are making a difference, when in reality, all the major decision-making has already been done.

[Pip1968]

SoilPants said:

Hmm, can't say I feel too strongly about this one way or the other , although admittedly I generally stick to 60 ish anyway. What annoys me though is the glaring inconsistency and unwillingness to address the real issues in terms of pollution, they have all these green taxes and quotas and yet the most polluting thing you can do - have a child - will get you decades of handouts from the government.

Crikey, seventy five years on are we back to the ultimate solution ???!!! We could burn all the old unproductive ones and those with disabilities which could in turn be used as fuel for the power stations. That would then enable us to replace them with new younger models ie babies and so prevent 'civilisation' ending (no Government benefits for the children though .. possibly Soilpants's crux).

Incredible ... tangent boulevard.

Pip

[bad company]

rich888 said:

So wake up, e-petitons are just a way dreamed up by government officials to make you feel like you are making a difference, when in reality, all the major decision-making has already been done.

Well if Richard says petitions make no difference it must be true.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19266497

[3Dee]

Done!

[shakotan]

bad company said:

rich888 said:

So wake up, e-petitons are just a way dreamed up by government officials to make you feel like you are making a difference, when in reality, all the major decision-making has already been done.

Well if Richard says petitions make no difference it must be true.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19266497

They don't.

If you can find me one single change in policy that was directly affected by an e-Petition, I'll eat my beard.

The linked article simply shows how sad and apathetic this nation had become that when they feel so strongly about an issue, the best thing they think to do is do add their name to a digital list and think that's going to make a difference.

[oyster]

rich888 said:

Zuffen said:

ou don't really understand how traffic jams work, do you?

Well yes, I've spent hours on end on the Nottingham inner ring road driving along in 1st gear wondering why there are so many hold-ups considering how many traffic lights are installed to ease the flow, so I guess my question is, do you understand how traffic jams work

Thing is, do you actually think that any government minister is going to give a damn about the results of an e-petiton?

The only thing these people pay attention to is when they are actually affected on a day to day basis, and that means real hard traffic jams clogging up the roads for hours on end like those in France when the lorry drivers and the farmers get together, or ahead of a general election when they want your vote and will promise the world despite the rising £4.8 trillion debt mountain all conveniently swept under the carpet.

So wake up, e-petitons are just a way dreamed up by government officials to make you feel like you are making a difference, when in reality, all the major decision-making has already been done.

If you're stuck in a traffic jam , how will a higher limit help?

[bad company]

shakotan said:

The linked article simply shows how sad and apathetic this nation had become that when they feel so strongly about an issue, the best thing they think to do is do add their name to a digital list and think that's going to make a difference.

And the alternative is???

[shakotan]

bad company said:

shakotan said:

The linked article simply shows how sad and apathetic this nation had become that when they feel so strongly about an issue, the best thing they think to do is do add their name to a digital list and think that's going to make a difference.

And the alternative is???

Are you seriously telling me you cannot think of a better way of voicing your opposition to something than writing your name on a webpage?