If you 'shop a suspected drink driver - does anything happen
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Greendubber said:
So adults can't own an iphone or an xbox?
Well I'm an adult, but I'm a young adult....The clear implication of even mentioning those two items in your post was that you're prejudging me for being young. That's certainly how it comes across, my age is no secret, it's evident from my username.
DoubleSix said:
longshot said:
DoubleSix said:
If you managed to 'bin it' I assume you were smashed as opposed to a few milligrams the wrong side?
Twice the limit. Took my eyes off the road because I was busy trying to retrieve something I'd dropped in the footwell and ploughed into a lamp post just missing some pedestrians. I changed my ways regarding cars and booze after that.
Actually that's a very big problem on this forum I find....many of the members here are in a considerably older age group than myself. And thus young people like me get judged and dismissed and stereotyped rather too easily. It's happening in another thread right now actually.
Please,don't do it. Not all young drivers are inexperienced d
heads.
Please,don't do it. Not all young drivers are inexperienced d
heads.zarjaz1991 said:
Well I'm an adult, but I'm a young adult....
The clear implication of even mentioning those two items in your post was that you're prejudging me for being young. That's certainly how it comes across, my age is no secret, it's evident from my username.
What formed your opinion of the plod then?The clear implication of even mentioning those two items in your post was that you're prejudging me for being young. That's certainly how it comes across, my age is no secret, it's evident from my username.
zarjaz1991 said:
Well I'm an adult, but I'm a young adult....
The clear implication of even mentioning those two items in your post was that you're prejudging me for being young. That's certainly how it comes across, my age is no secret, it's evident from my username.
I think you're reading too much into it, it's of no consequence to me of you're 21 or 71.The clear implication of even mentioning those two items in your post was that you're prejudging me for being young. That's certainly how it comes across, my age is no secret, it's evident from my username.
Xboxes and iPhones going missing always turn the most hardened f
k the popo brigade when they don't want to pay for a new one.V8forweekends said:
Would you act as a witness in a murder case? Or just run away?
Loaded question. I'd prefer not to. The implications of doing so, depending on the circumstances, can be life changing and if you have family, can also out them under grave threat of danger. Since the police actually don't give two hoots about this, the answer is that I'd rather not, but it isn't 'running away'.My gut instinct would be 'saw nothing, heard nothing'.
zarjaz1991 said:
Actually that's a very big problem on this forum I find....many of the members here are in a considerably older age group than myself. And thus young people like me get judged and dismissed and stereotyped rather too easily. It's happening in another thread right now actually.
Please,don't do it. Not all young drivers are inexperienced dheads.
And no ones judging you, just debating your rather selfish attitude and liberal use of the word grass.Please,don't do it. Not all young drivers are inexperienced d
heads.Greendubber said:
I think you're reading too much into it, it's of no consequence to me of you're 21 or 71.
Xboxes and iPhones going missing always turn the most hardened fk the popo brigade when they don't want to pay for a new one.
That's probably a fair point, although since I don't have insurance for my iPhone it probably wouldn't be an issue. X Box might be covered under contents but I am honestly so mistrusting of the police that for a fairly low value item like that, especially given the excess involved, I'd probably STILL not report it.Xboxes and iPhones going missing always turn the most hardened f
k the popo brigade when they don't want to pay for a new one.I suppose a better analogy might be if the car got nicked. Since it cost me nearly £14k I'd probably have to say discretion would be the better part of valour there.
zarjaz1991 said:
Loaded question. I'd prefer not to. The implications of doing so, depending on the circumstances, can be life changing and if you have family, can also out them under grave threat of danger. Since the police actually don't give two hoots about this, the answer is that I'd rather not, but it isn't 'running away'.
My gut instinct would be 'saw nothing, heard nothing'.
OK, well thanks for the honest answer at least. Of course if everyone looks the other way, the killers get to do what they want, but you obviously realise that - and I get it that you feel society (especially in the form of the Police) doesn't do enough to protect the brave. It certainly is running away though - it takes guts to stand up for what's right, not run (IMHO) - unless you think murder's basically fine (which I am sure you don't).My gut instinct would be 'saw nothing, heard nothing'.
V8forweekends said:
OK, well thanks for the honest answer at least. Of course if everyone looks the other way, the killers get to do what they want, but you obviously realise that - and I get it that you feel society (especially in the form of the Police) doesn't do enough to protect the brave. It certainly is running away though - it takes guts to stand up for what's right, not run (IMHO) - unless you think murder's basically fine (which I am sure you don't).
There should be more protection, yes. The attitude of both the police and courts in these situations stinks. They act like its your civic duty, which perhaps it is, but fail to take much account of the fact that your life can be practically destroyed by it.longshot said:
What formed your opinion of the plod then?
Mainly, some linked incidents in Blackburn a few years ago. Probably shouldn't say much more, it wouldn't take much to trace it for the right people.Suffice to say - police lies and dubious tactics. Behaviour that was in many ways worse than that of criminals.
Someone said recently, many coppers are little more than criminals with uniforms.
zarjaz1991 said:
longshot said:
What formed your opinion of the plod then?
Mainly, some linked incidents in Blackburn a few years ago. Probably shouldn't say much more, it wouldn't take much to trace it for the right people.Suffice to say - police lies and dubious tactics. Behaviour that was in many ways worse than that of criminals.
Someone said recently, many coppers are little more than criminal with uniforms.
FWIW I've had similar treatment from plod - albeit nothing like as serious by the sounds - I foolishly made an official complaint which plod then totally lied their way out of. Changed my entire view - I suspect dealing with scum all day turns some of them into scum - or maybe they were already. They aren't all like it, but there is a significant number who don't seem any better than the folk they are supposed to be getting off the street IMHO. I do still believe in standing up for stuff - but just in a more cautious way. Not that it matters, but I am 52 and probably as unlikely plod mistruster as anyone could imagine....
V8forweekends said:
FWIW I've had similar treatment from plod - albeit nothing like as serious by the sounds - I foolishly made an official complaint which plod then totally lied their way out of. Changed my entire view - I suspect dealing with scum all day turns some of them into scum - or maybe they were already. They aren't all like it, but there is a significant number who don't seem any better than the folk they are supposed to be getting off the street IMHO. I do still believe in standing up for stuff - but just in a more cautious way. Not that it matters, but I am 52 and probably as unlikely plod mistruster as anyone could imagine....
I'm 22, done ok for myself and would probably not be seen as a likely 'plod mistruster' either.
I accept they aren't all like that, but I've rarely come across one that isn't, and in any event you have absolutely no way of knowing in advance.
Rovinghawk said:
In this situation, you don't need to trust them, just go to a phonebox & make an anonymous call.
I've had some bad experiences too, but wouldn't let them stop me from doing what I thought was best.
Speaking personally....and I know this might attract the odd flame.....it isn't my place to do their job for them.I've had some bad experiences too, but wouldn't let them stop me from doing what I thought was best.
After the shameful way they treated me, they will not get one iota of assistance from me, in anything. They are on their f....g own. And yes that might mean the odd criminal might get off. If it happened often enough then perhaps as a society we might just arrange to have a police force that doesn't consist mainly of corrupt t
ts.zarjaz1991 said:
Rovinghawk said:
In this situation, you don't need to trust them, just go to a phonebox & make an anonymous call.
I've had some bad experiences too, but wouldn't let them stop me from doing what I thought was best.
Speaking personally....and I know this might attract the odd flame.....it isn't my place to do their job for them.I've had some bad experiences too, but wouldn't let them stop me from doing what I thought was best.
After the shameful way they treated me, they will not get one iota of assistance from me, in anything. They are on their f....g own. And yes that might mean the odd criminal might get off. If it happened often enough then perhaps as a society we might just arrange to have a police force that doesn't consist mainly of corrupt t
ts.What will you do if your car gets stolen, your house get broken into or heaven forbid, someone you now gets attacked?
It could get sticky with the car because the insurance will as about the Police report won't they?
I need a new keyboard.
Edited by longshot on Thursday 17th April 22:48
Edited by longshot on Thursday 17th April 22:48
longshot said:
Does that mean that you don't want any help from them either?
What will you do if your car gets stolen, your house get broken into or heaven forbid, someone you now gets attacked?
It could get sticky with the car because the insurance will as about the Police report won't they?
I need a new keyboard.
I already conceded that the car being nicked would be a tricky one.What will you do if your car gets stolen, your house get broken into or heaven forbid, someone you now gets attacked?
It could get sticky with the car because the insurance will as about the Police report won't they?
I need a new keyboard.
Edited by longshot on Thursday 17th April 22:48
Edited by longshot on Thursday 17th April 22:48
Really, the easiest way to look at it is that unless compelled by reasons outside my control, I want no dealings whatsoever with the police.
zarjaz1991 said:
I already conceded that the car being nicked would be a tricky one.
Really, the easiest way to look at it is that unless compelled by reasons outside my control, I want no dealings whatsoever with the police.
Law and Order has already been a matter of co-operation between the police and the public to prevent crime and to catch criminals.Really, the easiest way to look at it is that unless compelled by reasons outside my control, I want no dealings whatsoever with the police.
At present the Police don't have the manpower to do preventative Policing as much as they would like so rely on us, the public even more.
We are part of the Policing effort.
If a friend of yours was attacked or your mum's house was being burgled, would you want a witness to contact the Police or not?
I have been debating weather to post this now for a while
I have a "friend" who works in the hospitality industry where his employer has a real drink problem, this employer drinks and drives often, sometimes unable to walk straight
they have two previous convictions for DD, the last 10 years ago
what should they do and how do they go about it?
I have a "friend" who works in the hospitality industry where his employer has a real drink problem, this employer drinks and drives often, sometimes unable to walk straight
they have two previous convictions for DD, the last 10 years ago
what should they do and how do they go about it?
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