Excuse Me Constable . Police Stop and Accountability Check
Discussion
Tiggsy said:
I would like the police to able to taser anyone in the head when they act like this. If they use "sunshine" - taser them twice.
And then they need to get Banksy:http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-teenager-dies-pol...
It's a bit of an assumption as police training may include 'Please don't misbehave as the Press will get hold of any little bit dirt on us and milk it and embellish it'.
Two problems with that; The police and CPS are never known to embellish anything are they? They never throw the kitchen sink at the accused in the hope that cumulatively some of it will stick?
Someone I know went out of their way to intervene in some incident they could have pretended they didn't see. The police contacted them and said 'We're not happy with the punishment they got in court so can we quote part of your statement anonymously in a piece for the local newspaper?'.
So the police aren't happy when the Press dish it out, but are quite happy to use the press to smear the accused, or convicted if they're unhappy with any punishment meted out.
The same technology that was cited as enabling the Arab Spring and used to film Lada Nivas chasing tanks in The Ukraine is here and on the streets in the UK. The public can and will keep an eye on the police. Who can blame them?
'If you've nothing wrong you have nothing to hide' only seems to count when the authorities and uniform and braid wearers utter it when outside of their police stations, parliament or wherever the politicians are holding their annual conferences.
Two problems with that; The police and CPS are never known to embellish anything are they? They never throw the kitchen sink at the accused in the hope that cumulatively some of it will stick?
Someone I know went out of their way to intervene in some incident they could have pretended they didn't see. The police contacted them and said 'We're not happy with the punishment they got in court so can we quote part of your statement anonymously in a piece for the local newspaper?'.
So the police aren't happy when the Press dish it out, but are quite happy to use the press to smear the accused, or convicted if they're unhappy with any punishment meted out.
The same technology that was cited as enabling the Arab Spring and used to film Lada Nivas chasing tanks in The Ukraine is here and on the streets in the UK. The public can and will keep an eye on the police. Who can blame them?
'If you've nothing wrong you have nothing to hide' only seems to count when the authorities and uniform and braid wearers utter it when outside of their police stations, parliament or wherever the politicians are holding their annual conferences.
Edited by carinaman on Friday 18th April 16:57
TheBALDpuma said:
That is all kinds of weird.
Fair play to the policeman for playing along, but if it was me I think I would have given the guy a bit of questionning as to what he thought he was doing/going to achieve by being such a loser!
Thats what he wanted him to do though Fair play to the policeman for playing along, but if it was me I think I would have given the guy a bit of questionning as to what he thought he was doing/going to achieve by being such a loser!
Some people just need to be humoured for an easy life.
And yes Carinaman - all cars should be checked upon coming on duty. All lights, levels, tyres etc and in my force we sign the vehicle log book to confirm nil defects. We also have to record the start and end mileage, any fuel thats added, times we had the vehicle and our call sign and wash it if it needs it. No excuse for a dirty car, looks like a shower of s
t. We did used to have a box of spare bulbs that we could use to keep a car on the road but now we don't so the car gets taken off the road, a defect report completed and a man in a van attends and fixes it. He only works 8x4 mon to Friday so if a bulb blows on Friday night the vehicle is grounded until Monday, great eh? Our local police workshop that supplied the quiver of bulbs got shut due to budget cuts so the supply dried up. I had a bulb go when I was working nights a while back, no spare cars so got a new bulb from a petrol station, changed it and put the receipt in to claim the 7 quid back. I got a b
king for health and safety breaches and told I couldn't claim the money back....I told them in that case I'll go and get my bulb back 
you couldnt make it up.On the one hand I'm happy that the police can be held accountable for such things, and good on the officer for acting the way he did (although he looked more bewildered than anything else, perhaps he only went along with it because he was caught off guard or thought it was some kind of 'secret shopper' style check being performed on him).
On the other hand though the cameraman's nasal voice, greeting of "Sunshine" and parting of "Be on your way" all whilst brandishing a notebook portrays a very sad individual, who is either exacting revenge for being pulled himself, or one of those Freeman-of-the-land-I-know-my-rights-and-what-you-are-accountable-for kind of irritations that plague YouTube.
An odd video none the less though.
On the other hand though the cameraman's nasal voice, greeting of "Sunshine" and parting of "Be on your way" all whilst brandishing a notebook portrays a very sad individual, who is either exacting revenge for being pulled himself, or one of those Freeman-of-the-land-I-know-my-rights-and-what-you-are-accountable-for kind of irritations that plague YouTube.
An odd video none the less though.
carinaman said:
Could there be a serious side to this?
SpitfireMk3 has previously posted that they're not allowed to change bulbs in police cars and they have to be left for the garage to replace, leaving a vehicle out of service. When police forces are trying to squeeze every penny out of their resources and assets is putting a vehicle out of service for the sake a bulb an acceptable way to manage vehicles?
Do all officers always check that the bulbs are working in their vehicles before leaving police station car parks?
I don't suppose a former traffic officer has ever said to me 'You can usually find at least one thing wrong with a vehicle'? Has a non-traffic officer said when discussing Big Brother and ID Cards, 'You can usually find something on everyone if you look long enough and hard enough'? Do unto others.....
Hypothetically couldn't a police car be rear ended on the entrance to a roundabout or at a junction, and the person that hits the police vehicle say 'I did accidently drive into the police car, but it did have a brake light out so.....'
What more grievous to the image and reputation of the police? 14272 behaving like that or a police vehicle driving around with a defective light?
I'm being exceedingly anal or I'm just behaving like some overly pedantic, yeah, but no, but yeah jobsworth uniformed type that's fully prepared to dance on the head on the needle to prove their point and not be seen to be wrong?
Payback? Could this decent young man be getting it in the neck for the behaviour of some other police officers that may have once stopped a driver in the middle of the night on a quiet B road and rooted through their car looking for stuff and leaving them to put the spare wheel and jack back into their car in the pitch black as the police officers have had their fun, or got called away? Every MoP has a nice torch like police officers?
The way that officer has behaved offsets how many police cars driving around with defective lights? I think 14272 probably didn't have to do a four week course to know how to behave like that unlike the four week course Man Mountain 767 Big Jim did to know when to put the blue lights on Police Interceptors a few months ago. Reiterating the point made by Rovinghawk, 14272 has made amends for 767's conduct on TV IMO.
Making another comparison with Man Mountain, Big Jim 767 would the person behind the camera behaved like that if it was two larger, older, more experienced officers rather than this lone, fresh faced officer?
Couldn't 14272 have ticked a 'public engagement' box after that encounter? Or would that have been fiddling the crime statistics?
I'll usually refuse to drive one of our cars if it's got a headlight out. It's my arse on the line if I crash and get the blame because a headlight flash wasn't working or something.SpitfireMk3 has previously posted that they're not allowed to change bulbs in police cars and they have to be left for the garage to replace, leaving a vehicle out of service. When police forces are trying to squeeze every penny out of their resources and assets is putting a vehicle out of service for the sake a bulb an acceptable way to manage vehicles?
Do all officers always check that the bulbs are working in their vehicles before leaving police station car parks?
I don't suppose a former traffic officer has ever said to me 'You can usually find at least one thing wrong with a vehicle'? Has a non-traffic officer said when discussing Big Brother and ID Cards, 'You can usually find something on everyone if you look long enough and hard enough'? Do unto others.....
Hypothetically couldn't a police car be rear ended on the entrance to a roundabout or at a junction, and the person that hits the police vehicle say 'I did accidently drive into the police car, but it did have a brake light out so.....'
What more grievous to the image and reputation of the police? 14272 behaving like that or a police vehicle driving around with a defective light?
I'm being exceedingly anal or I'm just behaving like some overly pedantic, yeah, but no, but yeah jobsworth uniformed type that's fully prepared to dance on the head on the needle to prove their point and not be seen to be wrong?
Payback? Could this decent young man be getting it in the neck for the behaviour of some other police officers that may have once stopped a driver in the middle of the night on a quiet B road and rooted through their car looking for stuff and leaving them to put the spare wheel and jack back into their car in the pitch black as the police officers have had their fun, or got called away? Every MoP has a nice torch like police officers?
The way that officer has behaved offsets how many police cars driving around with defective lights? I think 14272 probably didn't have to do a four week course to know how to behave like that unlike the four week course Man Mountain 767 Big Jim did to know when to put the blue lights on Police Interceptors a few months ago. Reiterating the point made by Rovinghawk, 14272 has made amends for 767's conduct on TV IMO.
Making another comparison with Man Mountain, Big Jim 767 would the person behind the camera behaved like that if it was two larger, older, more experienced officers rather than this lone, fresh faced officer?
Couldn't 14272 have ticked a 'public engagement' box after that encounter? Or would that have been fiddling the crime statistics?
If the health and safety military don't want me changing a bulb (believe me, my labour rates are very good, £0.00 P/H in fact), then we'll have to play it their way.
The way 14272 dealt with that reminded me of something that is/was in the police blog of former Sergeant Gary Watts.
I'm not sure if that's still on the official Devon & Cornwall website now he's been dismissed. I don't know what he did that was wrong, but I'd agree with that bit that he put in his blog.
The Blog of former Sergeant Gary Watts said:
Think about this. We still police by consent in this country. We can’t justify achieving compliance through force in most cases and rightly so. Compliance can be achieved through understanding. The person understands that they have no choice but often this involved heated discussion and can lead to force being used. Compliance is better achieve through respect and understanding of the job we have to do and this is often achieved by demonstrating that we, the police, are human. We have feelings, we care about things, we have families and the greatest weapon of all we have a sense of humour!
I have used and observed the use of a keen sense of humour a number of times to defuse a situation. I have dealt with many suspects, professionally and compassionately because we have found common ground and had a ‘bit of a joke’. This means that the whole process is easier for both police and prisoner. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
By showing the human side of police officers we can gain the trust and respect of the majority of the public. Yes there will always be those that will moan but they are definitely in the minority.
from: http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2013/01/08/...I have used and observed the use of a keen sense of humour a number of times to defuse a situation. I have dealt with many suspects, professionally and compassionately because we have found common ground and had a ‘bit of a joke’. This means that the whole process is easier for both police and prisoner. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
By showing the human side of police officers we can gain the trust and respect of the majority of the public. Yes there will always be those that will moan but they are definitely in the minority.
I'm not sure if that's still on the official Devon & Cornwall website now he's been dismissed. I don't know what he did that was wrong, but I'd agree with that bit that he put in his blog.
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